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Players Sabotage Turf Wars.

Discussion in 'Regular Discussion' started by ChiePet, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. ChiePet

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    Idk if it's just me, but I've noticed a trend lately in Turf wars that bothers me.

    I'll see two, sometimes 3 players either go all out, or completely screw around during a match, and they always seem to be together unless on the other team.

    I think there are people purposely not playing when against their friends to help them win and level up easier/faster. Nothing confirmed, but I've noticed it for a while now and it's making turf wars extremely un-fun.

    Thoughts?
    Again, speculation, but it's not off base.

    EDIT: I've had Splatoon 2 for about 3 weeks now and it's extremely noticeable, and I used to play Splatoon 1 non stop, so it's not as if I'm new to this sort of thing.
     
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    Are we talking about Squid parties? That stuff's been happening since S1.

    Sabotaging has no real value in TW, seeing as you still get a fair share of points even if you lose. It'd be way more productive to just keep playing the game normally instead of doing it in a roundabout way like this.
     
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    Hmmm, the easiest way to explain this is with a weird analogy because I like those so ye. If you've ever played TF2, you'd occasionally see a heavy crouching around with his fists out. Those players are friendly, and in Splatoon this Squid Partying is just another way to signal that they're friendly. I'd just leave them be, people enjoy the game in different ways. If they do it in ranked it's a problem, but there's no problem with them doing it in turf. It's not so much messing around to help their friends get more XP it's more like just messing around with their friends to do something silly.
     
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    I've had it happen only a couple of times in Splatoon 2 thank god. But yeah, f*** people who intentionally mess up other people's matches. Even if that's not their intention, that's still what it amounts to.

    It really sucks if you frequently have very busy periods in your life, and you just want to relax for half an hour only for someone to waste your time like this. With how Nintendo is currently locking people out who have internet issues pretty quickly (be it only for a few minutes), I kind of wonder why they're not doing anything about this kind of crap. If they aren't. Anyone participating in a squid party even once should be permabanned from the game at once.

    It's complete BS to imply that it is a problem in ranked but not in Turf War.
     
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    I get around it personally because I know you win even when you lose in turf wars, but my friend gets so frustrated and demotivated by consecutive losses (I'm talking like 10 in a row due to these kinds of players.) and I don't blame him. For him, being new and being stuck leveling up at such a snail pace (he's level 6, for example) has to be frustrating as ****.

    It kinda ruins the fun. That's what turf wars all about. It almost makes me want to do the same thing they're doing for my friend, but I'd never.
     
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    While there may be some blame on the players, ultimately the biggest problem is this game's matchmaking. Me (and probably several other people on here) can speak from experience that it's really poor. The game basically throws random people in one room without regard to level or weapon comps, turf war being especially guilty of this. Level 5< players sharing lobbies with level 45> players are an unfortunate but common sight even when this game was relatively new.

    It works a little bit better in Ranked mode, but you gotta unlock that first.
     
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    Frankly, I love a good Squid Party but... yeah, if your friend doesn't like it, have said friend back out of that lobby and get a new random lobby. :)
     
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    It's 100% the players' decision to go squid party, how does that have anything to do with the matchmaking?
     
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    I'm still uncertain whenever Chie is talking about squid parties or just being shoved in lobbies with level 40> players, since in the second post they said that their friend had a losing streak, so i changed my mind and i assumed the latter. If everyone's squid partying, there's an even chance the partiers will be on the other team and as such it would not (normally) result a losing streak especially during multiple lobbies/sessions.

    It would be the most logical conclusion because squid parties are rare as is and throughout my entire playtime I've never seen a case where one side would intentionally throw the game in order to give the other team a free win. It's completely unproductive especially if they intend on doing it to grind for cash/exp.
     
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    Honestly, I have no problem with Squid Partying at all. It's a silly little thing that only adds to the personality of the game. People enjoy the game in different ways, and for some people it's very fun to just be a friendly and get others to join in. Permabanning people for being friendly seems stupid to me. It would just make Turf War feel more serious and pressure based, which makes no sense for a casual mode. Just carry on or join in. For me at least, after a bunch of heated turf games, it's always fun to just goof around squid partying.
     
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    It’s situational.. If I get in a good lobby and have some players on my team that are good and we establish a type of teamwork ( as much as you can in solo lobby) they will eventually be on the other team. One or the other of us will establish we aren’t going to splat each other when we run into each other, maybe party for a minute because it’s fun;) I always try to actually win though..I don’t think there is any real reason to throw a turf war match other than to just be a troll..
     
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    I've never heard of someone sabotaging a turf war battle to help a friend level up. Seems kinda dumb considering it's just turf wars.
    For me, squid parties do seem a bit more common nowadays. I'm only able to play a few hours each weekend (bc college) but it seems like I'll encounter a squid party every two weekends or so. During thanksgiving break, I came across at least 3 different parties.
    From my observation, it seems like it's just random. I've seen squid parties happen for multiple reasons- the opposing team has two DCs, the whole team booyahs a lot at the beginning, etc.
     
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    I've seen players throw matches more than once when their friends were in the lobby. In one infuriating case, someone spent the entire match hopping across the stage, doing nothing else, finishing by hopping next to their clanner friends on the enemy team. I can't speak for how often this happens, but it DOES happen.
    I wouldn't go as far as demanding bans like Minkukel did, but I had hundreds of matches ruined on the first game by players mashing the squid button instead of playing, in all modes. If 2 people participate in a squid party, that's 6 other people that are denied a fair match. It's not a huge deal at the end of the day, but at the same time... Between match throwers and squid parties, is it really asking so much to expect people to play the game?
     
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    That's no excuse to be a **** to others. Go do it in a private match or something.

    And Turf War isn't supposed to be a casual mode. Just because the devs arbitrarily made a distinction between Ranked and 'normal' battle doesn't mean that people who primarily play Turf War should be the subject to bullcrap like this. Turf War is the mode I play mostly and it gets just as intense and serious as any other mode.
     
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    Seldomly I encounter fullblown squidparties (with more than just 2 or 3 players participating), but I often encounter small ones where 2 people in my team decide to do bugger all and then of course we end up with 20% us to 70% them, because 2 people decided to ruin the match for us.

    The notion that they do it to be friendly misses the point. Splatoon 2 is not a "friendly" game, we're talking about a game mode called "Turf War".

    Secondly, what MINKUKEL suggested is completely right: Turf War is not supposed to be a casual mode at all. It may be one to relax a little and try new weapons, but it's definitely not for just jumping around, smashing that booyah button and giggle with your partner in trolling-crime as the two other players in your team struggle to somehow gain control of this match that you decided to ruin for them.
    There's always PBs if you want to just hop around.

    Third, there is of course something you can lose through this. Many players, including myself, use Turf to work on gear. So we're running ol' Crusty's tickets while we spread the ink. An unneeded loss means a fight wasted: We get less exp./money/whatever else the coupon would've given us, had we won.

    Fourth, it is other people's time you're wasting. Yeah, video games are a waste of time in itself, I know. But atleast let your teammates waste their free time more productively by playing your best, heh.

    But I'm sure many of the people doing this are well aware of this. It's probably exactly the reason why they're doing it. I've always viewed squidparty-goers as trolls. Is it salty to complain about them? Yeah, most likely. But we have a right to!
     
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    I leave the lobby whenever I notice squid partyers... I like playing TW the standard way, and I feel bad when I splat the dancing squids while they're happily flopping about, so it feels better if I just leave them to their own devices. x*) I never report those players, but it can be a bit annoying to leave a room which was otherwise great to play in.
     
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    Sometimes they do this to make friends since most of the time they have none

    But that's just my piece of the pie
     
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    And banning them makes you more of the *******
     
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    Needless to say but if you have friends then party with them and also to those who may think otherwise I also disagree since the switch lacks communication through a better miiverse and also because you can't say why your friending them so partying is really your only hope besides the forums
     
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    Hooo boi, there's so much confusion-fu floating around, I can't help but explain a thing or two to you. First of all, "casual" does not mean "don't try at all", it means "there is no ranking / competitive playing involved". So trying to justify over-the-top and in-yo-face 3v4 curbstomps just because there's "War" in the English localization of Turf War by saying it's not a casual mode at all doesn't make you less of a jerk than those who actually, well, pull this kind of carp against teams who experience 1-2 DCs or consist of mainly lowbie-levels. Arguably them being thrown to the wolves ain't nice for everyone involved, but do-some just have to be over the top "my life rides on this" S+-battle style against them.

    Second of all, throwing matches by either putting your console in sleep mode (DC) or not participating in the match by either squid partying or goofing around, filling the smallest gaps of ink or somethin' is still a bag of suck for everyone, casual mode or not. There's a good reason Private Battles exist where players can party hard without ruining the experience for a couple unlucky players, too bad most people who do this kinda stuff don't really care about others in the first place so they do it across all modes. Yeah, you read that right.

    That being said, what makes a casual mode so fun is that there's a small portion of humor to be found for those who are open towards these things (and no, I'm not just talking Squidbagging, that's another can of worms I ain't openin' tonight), and I can't wait to land in another JP lobby again. They're casual with a side of gud play as I've found.

    And finally, Edit function, use it. It's at the bottom-left of your posts. |3
     
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    Exactly like how you put it also I know of the edit button but just didn't use it
     
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    This has been happening to me recently as well. Even to a point there was one time a group all had the same name, 2 on my team, 1 on the other, and they did nothing. Our team lost cause of them three times in a row and I left the match after that.
     
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    I mean it's not exactly like we have any means of communicating with random online players besides partying.

    If you want to party with friends, go to private, but sometimes you'll meet a squid who's tons of fun to play with, and party with them to show your appreciation.
     
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    Show your appreciation by Booyaing or friending that person on your Switch. There's no reason to do it by ruining others' matches. It's simply a prick move. Like triple posting.
     
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    I understand that there is no friend request message anymore, but you shouldn’t try to make friends by sabotaging matches. Splatoon itself just isn’t rly the place to be making friends like that. Like someone suggested, ppl should try a forum. They’ll definitely have more luck and cause less strife.
     
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    There is though, I get friend requests from people I played Splatoon 2 with randomly all the time.
     
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    So first of all, 'sabotaging' implies malicious intentions.

    Second of all, booyah-ing is quite a generic greeting. Squid partiers have simply transcended to a higher level of communication.
     
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    Semantics doesn't change what amounts to knowingly ruining matches for others. Intentions don't matter if you know the consequences of your actions damn well.

    And calling it a higher level of communcation is laughable.
     
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    I’ve reported squids for not playing the game. But whenever I’m left on a bad foot, I’m always excited for the opportunity to prove how awesome I am by winning the game anyways XD

    (Also for those of y’all talking about curb-stomp battles, I don’t really see what y’all are on about. Yeah, it sucks when the enemy team doesn’t have full power, but I’m still going to play the game the way it’s meant to be played, and hopefully it’ll be more fair next time)
     
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    There is no “how the game is meant to be played “ everybody gets to play how they want. Screwing around and not trying your best to win isn’t any more offensive than crushing an obviously weaker team into oblivion. (the latter is actually bad sportsmanship imo..)I don’t report people as a rule, I just roll with the punches because you will be on either side of it regularly if you spend any amount of time playing the game. A little partying can be fun but there is a point where it gets irritating. When it does I shrug my shoulders, get a little irritated , and move on. If my team is crushing, I hang at mid and protect our half of the map. If my team is being spawn camp murdered. i sit in spawn, booya, and kill anybody who gets in range. I generally feel all of the emotions expressed here and in the salt threads pretty regularly. At the end of the day I usually have a good time playing the game though...
     
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    Oh yeah I know, sorry for the weird wording. I was referring to someone else who had said that people might not coordinate private battles because the switch doesn’t let you attach messages to friend reqs/doesn’t have a PMing feature like the Wii U did. So I was just sayin that actual forums are a better place for that, rather than neglecting to do so and squid partying in public games instead.
     
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    I like Squid Parties but do fully concur that global Turf is not the place for them. The only exception is if 4/8 or more of the players in the lobby know each other and are in on it. 1 or two people doing it in a random lobby really is kind of a trolling act that undermines the match and competitive spirit of the game.
     
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    Yes there is.
    Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. This is the same BS reasoning that people use to defend scalpers.
     
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    How do u figure?Show me the rule book or it didn’t happen.
     
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    I agree to a point though.. Just because you CAN Curbstomp a weak or 3 player team and not let them out of spawn the whole match doesn’t mean you should. There is winning gracefully, and winning like an a hole.. The people that choose to win like an a hole will never understand why everybody thinks it’s poor sportsmanship.. Some people are just 15 forever and won’t ever get it, and some people grow up. My point is you can’t complain about squid partys ,but defend crushing the other team into oblivion It’s . The same thing. Also thegame means different things to different people and everybody has free will to do what they want. Even if you’re not cool with it. That’s just how life works..
     
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    Originally, one person said that you are just as much a "jerk" if you heavily beat weaker teams as if you ruined the match by squidpartying. But now that there's more stating this, I'll address this "argument" as a whole:

    First of all, let me tell you that this is literally the first time I hear such lunacy. In fact, it's crazy. And that is because in the first scenario the game is played as it was intended whereas in the second scenario the game is played in a way that it was not intended.

    When I referred to the terminus "war" in Turf War, I simply meant that this points to the general direction of how the game is supposed to be played. It's about 2 teams, consisting of 4 players each who rival to cover the most turf in ink. It is simple as that. It is a fun game, but you generally play it to win. If one player crashs - too bad - I will still push the objective and take advantage of the enemy team being outnumbered. Just like I'll accept if one of mine crashs. I will bear the enemy no ill will if he takes advantage of us being just three: I expect him to give his all. Only then it will feel like an accomplishment if you beat them anyway. And if you lose, you know everyone did their best against the bad odds. In the end, it will be 3 minutes of fun eitherway, eh?

    It is not fun when people start willingly ruining the battle for others. The notion of squidparties being all friendly and in good fun is BS. I am sorry, but that's what it is. When you squidparty, you'll always accept ruining the game for the players who came to enjoy a normal match of Splatoon. And there's no talking away that.

    For easier understanding: Imagine you took a bunch of foul eggs to a crowded mall and start having a throwing-party with your mates. The people who came to use the mall as intended will get hit eventually. You scream "Booyah" and explain to them that it's all supposed to be freindly. That's squidparties in a nutshell.
     
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    What if you spend half the match booyaing and dorking around but you ink the most turf of anybody on the board and your team wins, then is it ok?;P
     
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    Then it's okay, but sort of, because instead you're being kind of annoying that way.
     
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    If you are covering the most turf and win, you are not squidpartying by the definition which I have based my statements in this discussion on to this point. The second part of your scenario contradicts itself: You cannot win if you spent half the match "dorking" around, as I understand "dorking" is being useless to your team.

    So let me say this: If what you do is play as intended while uselessly spamming the "Booyah" button, then that's fine by me. That may be annoying, as Dessgeega put it, but it's nothing I would compare to squidparties in terms of ruining the game for everyone not wanting to be involved but being forced to stay with you for 3 minutes of their gaming time.
     
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    I’m not trying to argue with anybody, just sharing feelings and experiences:) I agree that the type of partying you described is hella annoying. My personal feelings is that it’s not worse than the curb stomp thing that people do to you in a 3v4 although if the other 2 on my team are above about a level 20 and are trying It doesn’t usually come to that..What I find equality bad is anybody over a level 10 using any weapon other than a charger or blaster that can’t constantly ink 450 turf weather or not they’re partying:) I think it’s possible that people take this game a bit more seriously than I do though and that’s all good too. When i’ve been playing for hours upon hours, I do tend to screw off a bit and maybe party a little as i’ve described earlier.. Hope nobody’s mad;) To the original intent of this topic, I don’t experience that type of partying all that often and I don’t think the intent is to help out friends or whatever.. I think people are just screwing around and aren’t worried about how it’s affecting the other players. Jerk move, but there’s no law against it..
     
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