Unfair Rank Battles

[SilverBlue-Neko]

Splatoon as a whole is a really good game, but the main thing I would complain about it is the rank battle system. I have had my S rank taken away from me so many times due to things I cannot control that it's starting to really annoy me. It sucks when I lose 10 points from connection errors, but I can understand why it is program like that. If they didn't program it like that, there would be so many people who would just quit as soon as their team started to lose the match, so I'm not going to really complain about that. Plus, my internet isn't the best sometimes.

What kills me inside is when my teammates disconnect during a rank match. When this happens, my team is instantly put at a huge disadvantage. This ends up with me losing usually 12 points. Sometimes even 14 points! I had a match today when I had two B's on my team and an S up against a whole team of S's. Of course, the S rank player disconnected not even halfway through the match and the match only lasted about 1 and a half minutes after that. We lost horribly even though I had gotten 7 kills and 1 death in the short match. I literally splatted the whole team twice by myself and we still were destroyed. Plus, that was the last win I need to finally get at least to and A+ again! I am not exaggerating when I say that this has happened to me probably over 20 times. I know I'm not a bad player, I'm just an unlucky one.

I really hate complaining , but I need some help. Do any of you squid have advice to overcome this problem?

 

[warghoul]

Is it 'fair?' no but we all have been there I think and it all seems to balance out. The negative side of the equation is just more noticeable.

 

[Dessgeega]

If someone disconnects before a match starts, the team loses only 1 point, but if they disconnect during the match at any point, everyone takes the full penalty. This seems wrong.

 

[binx]

There is already a subject about the question of fairness or not of the ranking system. What I'd want to say is, your allies will sometimes disconnect, but your opponents too, though you won't notice it as easily. You can be sure than among all your past victories, some were against 3 player teams with a late disconnection you couldn't see. If you play long enough, you'll play about as many 4v3 than 3v4, so it won't matter even if you have some salt here and there. Sometimes you'll even win 3v4 and will be quite happy and proud about it!

Anyway there is no way to prevent your allies to disconnect. If you're the one disconnecting, then it's another problem.

In S rank, you'll win or lose around 5 points so you won't go A+ just because a few disconnections. If you do, it means you either disconnect yourself a lot, or are too weak to stay in your actual rank.

 

[モモコ]

There is already a subject about the question of fairness or not of the ranking system. What I'd want to say is, your allies will sometimes disconnect, but your opponents too, though you won't notice it as easily. You can be sure than among all your past victories, some were against 3 player teams with a late disconnection you couldn't see. If you play long enough, you'll play about as many 4v3 than 3v4, so it won't matter even if you have some salt here and there. Sometimes you'll even win 3v4 and will be quite happy and proud about it!

Anyway there is no way to prevent your allies to disconnect. If you're the one disconnecting, then it's another problem.

In S rank, you'll win or lose around 5 points so you won't go A+ just because a few disconnections. If you do, it means you either disconnect yourself a lot, or are too weak to stay in your actual rank.

i won some 3v4 one was an early dc on mall tc and i think i needed to stop their ot push? and won by a point. i only won c and b rank 3v4's i have too many little lag issues(or lack of skill dealing with them) in a/s ranks to pull a 3v4 win. i had a 3v4 on urchian tc where i would be splatting 3 or 4 people consistently, had 21 spats? and still lost because my team couldn't back me up when there was that one person left>.>

Splatoon as a whole is a really good game, but the main thing I would complain about it is the rank battle system. I have had my S rank taken away from me so many times due to things I cannot control that it's starting to really annoy me. It sucks when I lose 10 points from connection errors, but I can understand why it is program like that. If they didn't program it like that, there would be so many people who would just quit as soon as their team started to lose the match, so I'm not going to really complain about that. Plus, my internet isn't the best sometimes.

What kills me inside is when my teammates disconnect during a rank match. When this happens, my team is instantly put at a huge disadvantage. This ends up with me losing usually 12 points. Sometimes even 14 points! I had a match today when I had two B's on my team and an S up against a whole team of S's. Of course, the S rank player disconnected not even halfway through the match and the match only lasted about 1 and a half minutes after that. We lost horribly even though I had gotten 7 kills and 1 death in the short match. I literally splatted the whole team twice by myself and we still were destroyed. Plus, that was the last win I need to finally get at least to and A+ again! I am not exaggerating when I say that this has happened to me probably over 20 times. I know I'm not a bad player, I'm just an unlucky one.

I really hate complaining , but I need some help. Do any of you squid have advice to overcome this problem?

i would check your net if i was you>.> call your isp and do different tests to see what is going on. also do you have wired usb adapter? sounds like it is sometin with your net

 

[GirlyMii]

Squads can be fun but I prefer to rank up solo style. If you are under an A rating and squad with S's, you are going to see S and S+. Connection errors suck and I've had teammates lost points (in S rank) from Squad disconnects. Imagine that.
Keep pushing forward and I'm sure you will get up there. I've lost my rank dozens of times but I will say I have improved my game skill tremendously.

 

[jsilva]

I don't agree with others that the unfair aspects will always balance out. Even if the system is overall balanced, which I believe it is not, you're still going to have exceptions varying from mild to extreme—people who lose more games than they deserve due to poor match ups, people who experience more unfavourable disconnections, etc.

And since I believe Splatoon's system isn't actually balanced that makes the situation worse. I have heard someone suggest that alt accounts, where an S/S+ quality player is in the B+ rank, creates an imbalance in the matching system. There are many potential reasons for imbalances which can be speculated, everything from mathematical limitations/errors to deliberate intent built into the matching and point system (such as attempts to populate the various ranks).

Point deductions for disconnections is another of those imbalances. As I've said elsewhere, they should better account for disconnections after the match starts, not simply if the player disconnects before the game starts (which, by the way, has happened more than once where I still lost more than 1 point.

Sorry you keep losing your S rank :) You're not alone, if that helps you feel any better.

 

[binx]

I don't agree with others that the unfair aspects will always balance out. Even if the system is overall balanced, which I believe it is not, you're still going to have exceptions varying from mild to extreme—people who lose more games than they deserve due to poor match ups, people who experience more unfavourable disconnections, etc.

On 20 games, if you get 3 disconnections on your side, alright you're having a bad day. But on your whole Splatoon carrier, the luck and unluck will be balanced. As I said elsewhere it's what the law of large numbers is about (well just a part of it). Denying this is like saying "I have a normal dice, but some guys will still win more than me with it because I'm so unlucky and it happens only to me". While this may be true on 100 games, it will eventually tend to be equal for everyone.

 

[birdiebee]

Is it 'fair?' no but we all have been there I think and it all seems to balance out. The negative side of the equation is just more noticeable.

Off topic but I think I played a match against you on Arowana Rainmaker just a couple hours ago! Were you a boy using an octoshot?

On topic I've been falling out of S a lot lately. It used to bother me a lot.. now I guess I'm numb to it. I dunno. I feel if others can make it to S+ 99 and I cant, theres more to it than being dealt ****ty cards. I gotta get better.

 

[モモコ]

On 20 games, if you get 3 disconnections on your side, alright you're having a bad day. But on your whole Splatoon carrier, the luck and unluck will be balanced. As I said elsewhere it's what the law of large numbers is about (well just a part of it). Denying this is like saying "I have a normal dice, but some guys will still win more than me with it because I'm so unlucky and it happens only to me". While this may be true on 100 games, it will eventually tend to be equal for everyone.

not if you are the one having internet issues XD

Off topic but I think I played a match against you on Arowana Rainmaker just a couple hours ago! Were you a boy using an octoshot?

On topic I've been falling out of S a lot lately. It used to bother me a lot.. now I guess I'm numb to it. I dunno. I feel if others can make it to S+ 99 and I cant, theres more to it than being dealt ****ty cards. I gotta get better.

some save cheat it though, well S and S+ but not S+99, least i hope not?

and some get to S idk how? like it shocks me how zackscoot can keep losing S but get it back winning with A+ teams, I would rate his play as B at most =.=

 

[Vitezen]

I don't see any reason why players shouldn't always have a match disqualified if a team member disconnects. Unlike disconnecting yourself, there's no way to cause this to occur. Are you going to somehow lag the server so hard that you cause someone else to disconnect so that your match doesn't count? Impossible. You shouldn't be punished for the connection issues of your teammates.

 

[モモコ]

I don't see any reason why players shouldn't always have a match disqualified if a team member disconnects. Unlike disconnecting yourself, there's no way to cause this to occur. Are you going to somehow lag the server so hard that you cause someone else to disconnect so that your match doesn't count? Impossible. You shouldn't be punished for the connection issues of your teammates.

no, a "person" acts as server i thought? so this person can lag the room? This is one reason 2-6 people can disconnect at once?

 

[jsilva]

On 20 games, if you get 3 disconnections on your side, alright you're having a bad day. But on your whole Splatoon carrier, the luck and unluck will be balanced. As I said elsewhere it's what the law of large numbers is about (well just a part of it). Denying this is like saying "I have a normal dice, but some guys will still win more than me with it because I'm so unlucky and it happens only to me". While this may be true on 100 games, it will eventually tend to be equal for everyone.

Speaking generally you're correct, but it applying here assumes things. For one it assumes Splatoon has an overall balanced system, and it also assumes that the numeric quantity needed to achieve that balance can be reasonably reached by the average player. Even if Splatoon's system were balanced we don't know how many games would be necessary to achieve that balance. It may very well not be achievable for most players.

And while rolling dice is a balanced system, I don't think that Splatoon's matching and point system is balanced. To say someone's losses overall will always be equally offset by their wins according to their skill is questionable. It's very possible someone could be stuck in a rank they are better than for an extended period of time with no equal reaction in the opposite direction.

And to say that the law of large numbers applies to disconnections is a little silly. I rarely have disconnections, I had two yesterday and those were the first I've had in months, literally. It's nearly always the case that others are dropped. The law of large numbers is not going to balance that out for me or those who disconnect frequently, because it's not balanced. I have a good connection, it's pretty much always going to be others that drop out, I'm consistently going to lose less points due to disconnections than most others.

 

[SilverBlue-Neko]

There is already a subject about the question of fairness or not of the ranking system. What I'd want to say is, your allies will sometimes disconnect, but your opponents too, though you won't notice it as easily. You can be sure than among all your past victories, some were against 3 player teams with a late disconnection you couldn't see. If you play long enough, you'll play about as many 4v3 than 3v4, so it won't matter even if you have some salt here and there. Sometimes you'll even win 3v4 and will be quite happy and proud about it!

Anyway there is no way to prevent your allies to disconnect. If you're the one disconnecting, then it's another problem.

In S rank, you'll win or lose around 5 points so you won't go A+ just because a few disconnections. If you do, it means you either disconnect yourself a lot, or are too weak to stay in your actual rank.

Actually, I have a funny story about that. The first time I got to S rank I was caught completely off guard. It was so crazy and I was not prepared for it. As you can guess I lost many matches. I decided to stop playing right when I was 6 points away from dropping back to an A+. Couple of days later, I was playing Splatoon at my college and my friends wanted to see me play a Rank Match. I decided what the heck even though I wasn't playing well that day. I would just lose 5 points and be at 00 points. So as I predicted, I lost the match but instead of losing the usual 5 points, I lost exactly 6 points and dropped down to an A+. This happened the day before they had the update making it only possible to lose 5 points in S rank. I've actually only gotten to S rank twice. The reason I said that I've had my S rank taken away from me so many times is because of how many times I have gotten a few points away from getting back to a S rank and have a teammate disconnect or a communication error during the match that would have leveled me up. That's what's getting me salty.

i won some 3v4 one was an early dc on mall tc and i think i needed to stop their ot push? and won by a point. i only won c and b rank 3v4's i have too many little lag issues(or lack of skill dealing with them) in a/s ranks to pull a 3v4 win. i had a 3v4 on urchian tc where i would be splatting 3 or 4 people consistently, had 21 spats? and still lost because my team couldn't back me up when there was that one person left>.>


i would check your net if i was you>.> call your isp and do different tests to see what is going on. also do you have wired usb adapter? sounds like it is sometin with your net

My net here is super weird. I live in in an apartment complex and the internet here is great when it comes to anything but Splatoon. Splatoon is the only online multiplayer game that will act up here. It constantly will disconnect me saying that I have no internet even though my sister's sitting right by me on her laptop. Sometimes I can play all day, sometimes I can't play at all. I noticed that it works slightly better at night. Since it's so weird, I usually only play Rank Matches at my friends or the college I go to. There are sometimes where I attempt to play Rank Matches here if the internet is being stable. I am not using a wired USB adapter. Should I try it?

 

[モモコ]

Actually, I have a funny story about that. The first time I got to S rank I was caught completely off guard. It was so crazy and I was not prepared for it. As you can guess I lost many matches. I decided to stop playing right when I was 6 points away from dropping back to an A+. Couple of days later, I was playing Splatoon at my college and my friends wanted to see me play a Rank Match. I decided what the heck even though I wasn't playing well that day. I would just lose 5 points and be at 00 points. So as I predicted, I lost the match but instead of losing the usual 5 points, I lost exactly 6 points and dropped down to an A+. This happened the day before they had the update making it only possible to lose 5 points in S rank. I've actually only gotten to S rank twice. The reason I said that I've had my S rank taken away from me so many times is because of how many times I have gotten a few points away from getting back to a S rank and have a teammate disconnect or a communication error during the match that would have leveled me up. That's what's getting me salty.


My net here is super weird. I live in in an apartment complex and the internet here is great when it comes to anything but Splatoon. Splatoon is the only online multiplayer game that will act up here. It constantly will disconnect me saying that I have no internet even though my sister's sitting right by me on her laptop. Sometimes I can play all day, sometimes I can't play at all. I noticed that it works slightly better at night. Since it's so weird, I usually only play Rank Matches at my friends or the college I go to. There are sometimes where I attempt to play Rank Matches here if the internet is being stable. I am not using a wired USB adapter. Should I try it?

Yes that is the first step to seeing if it is really your net or simply something in the wireless. You can also try contacting nintendo/ Trubleshooting to see if there is something in the settings that splatoon does not like) or isp and run traces and speed tests to make sure you are getting what you are supposed to be getting. In general though US is still behind in making good networks so high pace game like splatoon suffers.

Also I sent a friend request, I can see if you are jumping around weird if you like >XD

 

[G1ng3rGar1]

I think there should be a mandatory internet check either before you join the battles or before the match starts.

 

[モモコ]

I think there should be a mandatory internet check either before you join the battles or before the match starts.

like for tournaments? or having the game do that?
Anyways, whatever the answer is, people see large upload or download and its fine. Like for me I have 300 dl and 20 up (or supposed to) but I told my isp what gives after turning the modem off and on I am not getting it anymore >.> and have large ping. one of the techs did some trace thing and said there was 2 different hops that had time out and is going to figure out what is messing up in the network to cause that >.>

anyways point is I still read 100+ dl, 10 upload any given moment right now and other games are fine, cept for splatoon because how fast paced it is, that large ping problem gives me constant little problems in the game (people appearing to spat me in 1 hit with splattershot, and so on) USA net in general is crap anyways, far as modern standereds go ... they think "copper" is still ok for part of the trip

 

[G1ng3rGar1]

like for tournaments? or having the game do that?

Having the game do that for ranked. It isn't so bad with Turf, since you don't lose a rank there.

 

[モモコ]

Having the game do that for ranked. It isn't so bad with Turf, since you don't lose a rank there.

ok but how? does matchmaking say everyone needs to be 100 or less ping to each other? and how does it know this in short time?

 

[The2ndIdentity]

I don't see any reason why players shouldn't always have a match disqualified if a team member disconnects. Unlike disconnecting yourself, there's no way to cause this to occur. Are you going to somehow lag the server so hard that you cause someone else to disconnect so that your match doesn't count? Impossible. You shouldn't be punished for the connection issues of your teammates.

(If you eject your disc mid match you DC instantly. Just thought I'd point it out.)

Also, on the subject of the Unfair Matches thing, I feel ya. DCs mid game tilt the balance too much and the player should not take full penalty for a loss when the game has a player DC mid match.

The ranked mode is set to give a one point penalty to the losing team with a DC IF a player DCs prior to the game, but takes a full penalty if the DC is mid game. That's so twisted it hurts.

Nintendo should really fix that if they're going to do anything else to the game.

- The2ndIdentity