GOOD PATCH INBOUND???
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I was legitimately starting to give up hope for Trizooka startup but here we are! The netcode improvements are also totally unexpected at this point, but hopefully this helps! inb4 we get another launch disaster situation by accident
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This has to be one of the best patches so far but I just wish they did more.
I was hoping there would still be some small buffs in there since last patch didn't do much at all but what they did decide to nerf and how they chose to do it was good, especially for Squeezer.
I also like their explanations on how they didn't want to nerf the weapons to the point where players who enjoy Squeezer, RB, and Slosher would have to switch to something else.
Personally, I don't think the Slosher nerfs will do much to the weapon anyway but I guess we'll see how many sloshes it has now once the update comes out.
I'm really happy they finally nerfed Zooka startup though, I already gave up on that ever happening considering how long we've been dealing with panic Zooka.
I'm not sure how important the Pencil nerf will be. I was really hoping for a range nerf since it just makes no sense that it has the same range as Splatterscope.
Regardless, this was a great patch and I'm excited to see how things will change.
I was hoping there would still be some small buffs in there since last patch didn't do much at all but what they did decide to nerf and how they chose to do it was good, especially for Squeezer.
I also like their explanations on how they didn't want to nerf the weapons to the point where players who enjoy Squeezer, RB, and Slosher would have to switch to something else.
Personally, I don't think the Slosher nerfs will do much to the weapon anyway but I guess we'll see how many sloshes it has now once the update comes out.
I'm really happy they finally nerfed Zooka startup though, I already gave up on that ever happening considering how long we've been dealing with panic Zooka.
I'm not sure how important the Pencil nerf will be. I was really hoping for a range nerf since it just makes no sense that it has the same range as Splatterscope.
Regardless, this was a great patch and I'm excited to see how things will change.
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Nothing I disagree with in here, but...
that's it? that's all?
that's it? that's all?
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With the exception of possibly Squeezer, I don't think this gonna do too much for PvP.
-They say "slight" nerf to Pencil's painting which makes me think it's not as big as we hoped. Pencil will continue to be the premiere backline while other backlines will fade further into obscurity
-1/12 5 frame nerf I think is something Zooka users can adapt around.
-Even with the RB nerf, I don't think it'll see a significant usage drop.
-No 52 nerf
-Wellstring getting a painting nerf is something I didn't expect but the thing can paint so well so it won't hurt as much.
+No Stamper nerf!
Of course this is all just speculation but we'll have to see I guess
-They say "slight" nerf to Pencil's painting which makes me think it's not as big as we hoped. Pencil will continue to be the premiere backline while other backlines will fade further into obscurity
-1/12 5 frame nerf I think is something Zooka users can adapt around.
-Even with the RB nerf, I don't think it'll see a significant usage drop.
-No 52 nerf
-Wellstring getting a painting nerf is something I didn't expect but the thing can paint so well so it won't hurt as much.
+No Stamper nerf!
Of course this is all just speculation but we'll have to see I guess
Patch patch patch patch.
- Squeezer's nerfs are actually meaningful, I'm glad the range was the thing that got nerfed, cross map mobility death laser bad. The big thing about squeezer is it had a very easy time kiting every weapon in the game, it outranges everything, and it can keep its range advantage by just... strafing backwards, so that in particular is worse.
Also it technically makes squeezer a real good matchup for recycled brella, I'm not joking. Your shield let you get in range to actually fight the squeezer, and if you hit your two shots, you won that fight, but squeezer still had enough range to shred your shield before you'd get in range, and its strafe speed made it hard to hit. Now both of these got nerfed, W.
-Range nerf good, the blast radius always felt very forgiving, and you won't get painted over as easily for slow weapons. Also rip CRB being worse but also I don't care, bye annoying tc weapon.
- I'm mixed on the pencil change, I wish other backlines had a better chance of fighting it, but this means pencils won't be as good at just painting over the zone the whole game, that was incredibly annoying.
- I think slosher having worse ink efficiency is fair, from using it a bit, I don't think the ink efficiency ever felt like a problem, and considering how many things that weapon does well, I think it's warranted. 210p strikes is great too, they'll be worse at playing passively, which made them more annoying than they should be.
- I'm not the biggest fan of the hedit paint nerf, but it was really great at it, so now it'll have to play less passively, and it's an indirect buff to nzap, which I love to see.
- Wellstring paint nerf is weird but once again, nerfing passive play.
I think that's the pattern I really like, nintendo seems to specifically want to nerf staying back and force these meta weapons to fight more, which is good. It's pretty clear to me that nintendo wants the game to be fight heavy, which might be why they haven't nerfed carbon roller, vanilla roller, stamper, or tent. It seems like they want the meta to be more aggressive, which they might have accidentally figured out from seeing how s2 turned out and after cooler took over the game.
They keep buffing zap, they haven't nerfed cooler, and they're making all these weapons worse at safely poking at a distance. That's the biggest takeaway I'm getting from this patch, and it's great news to me.
The zooka startup nerf is cool btw, you'll have more time to take cover and it won't be as panickable, it's still insane but that's much healthier.
Overall really happy with this patch. I'm bummed they haven't nerfed strikes or .52, the latter's definitely going to dominate solo q, but they nerfed more things than I expected, in a good direction, I can't complain about that.
Netcode's better, indirect brella buff let's gooo.
I have more thoughts on the netcode change and X divisions, but zzzzz
- Squeezer's nerfs are actually meaningful, I'm glad the range was the thing that got nerfed, cross map mobility death laser bad. The big thing about squeezer is it had a very easy time kiting every weapon in the game, it outranges everything, and it can keep its range advantage by just... strafing backwards, so that in particular is worse.
Also it technically makes squeezer a real good matchup for recycled brella, I'm not joking. Your shield let you get in range to actually fight the squeezer, and if you hit your two shots, you won that fight, but squeezer still had enough range to shred your shield before you'd get in range, and its strafe speed made it hard to hit. Now both of these got nerfed, W.
-Range nerf good, the blast radius always felt very forgiving, and you won't get painted over as easily for slow weapons. Also rip CRB being worse but also I don't care, bye annoying tc weapon.
- I'm mixed on the pencil change, I wish other backlines had a better chance of fighting it, but this means pencils won't be as good at just painting over the zone the whole game, that was incredibly annoying.
- I think slosher having worse ink efficiency is fair, from using it a bit, I don't think the ink efficiency ever felt like a problem, and considering how many things that weapon does well, I think it's warranted. 210p strikes is great too, they'll be worse at playing passively, which made them more annoying than they should be.
- I'm not the biggest fan of the hedit paint nerf, but it was really great at it, so now it'll have to play less passively, and it's an indirect buff to nzap, which I love to see.
- Wellstring paint nerf is weird but once again, nerfing passive play.
I think that's the pattern I really like, nintendo seems to specifically want to nerf staying back and force these meta weapons to fight more, which is good. It's pretty clear to me that nintendo wants the game to be fight heavy, which might be why they haven't nerfed carbon roller, vanilla roller, stamper, or tent. It seems like they want the meta to be more aggressive, which they might have accidentally figured out from seeing how s2 turned out and after cooler took over the game.
They keep buffing zap, they haven't nerfed cooler, and they're making all these weapons worse at safely poking at a distance. That's the biggest takeaway I'm getting from this patch, and it's great news to me.
The zooka startup nerf is cool btw, you'll have more time to take cover and it won't be as panickable, it's still insane but that's much healthier.
Overall really happy with this patch. I'm bummed they haven't nerfed strikes or .52, the latter's definitely going to dominate solo q, but they nerfed more things than I expected, in a good direction, I can't complain about that.
Netcode's better, indirect brella buff let's gooo.
I have more thoughts on the netcode change and X divisions, but zzzzz
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fascinating that they prevented JP from joining tentatek when i've heard far more complaints about the opposite way around. maybe they don't want to prevent NA from joining takaroka because it's so common? and/or i guess it doesn't have "a negative effect on rankings" in JP, from their point of view
i'm a little sad they didn't nerf the firerate of squeezer because i think that would've been a very healthy change, but i'm not upset at the way they went about balancing it. the biggest deal for me here is how much the edit nerf will actually affect its paint output; the reasoning they gave for its change made it sound more like it's supposed to make it easier to paint over, rather than making it so it covers less turf when painting on its own. hopefully that's the case, it's one of the most ambiguous notes on here so it's hard to say
desperately hope this isn't the final patch, i don't think it will be but it will be very depressing if we just leave off on a patch that sought solely to make things worse (even if the changes are fair)
i'm a little sad they didn't nerf the firerate of squeezer because i think that would've been a very healthy change, but i'm not upset at the way they went about balancing it. the biggest deal for me here is how much the edit nerf will actually affect its paint output; the reasoning they gave for its change made it sound more like it's supposed to make it easier to paint over, rather than making it so it covers less turf when painting on its own. hopefully that's the case, it's one of the most ambiguous notes on here so it's hard to say
desperately hope this isn't the final patch, i don't think it will be but it will be very depressing if we just leave off on a patch that sought solely to make things worse (even if the changes are fair)
For what it's worth, they explicitly say near the bottom of the patch notes that the next patch will focus on adding things for finalfest. Technically last time they said last patch would focus on something it was this patch nerfing stronger weapons and they literally didn't do anything else but still. Not really like I'm expecting them to change anything but we'll probably get another note saying "next patch x will happen" if we do end up getting more.
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yeah i'm fully expecting that the next update won't have any balance changes (the update is gonna have to be in like, 2 weeks max, way too soon for balance changing again anyway), but i hope that we can still expect some balance changes every 1.5 months for at least one or two more seasons
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why is this only for X
the other day we fought the same team five times in open and goddamn that was tiring
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oh yeah also. "Changed the design of some Splashtag banner designs." i find it funny that they're wording this so vaguely, but it seems like we're getting the jackpot removal this update too, which is nice. interested in seeing what the new design will be
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I don't think the Edit nerf will do much really. This is more so them slightly reverting a buff from a couple patches ago and the most important part of that buff was increased paint around it's feet.
If anything I think this nerf will be nice for Edit, since it makes cooler botting all game slightly less viable and force people to actually use the main. Hopefully.
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really hoping the pencil nerf is enough, i wanted them to nerf its range too and why no pencil 220p 
i dont like the edit nerf that much but theyre probably just being careful so that doesnt become the next pencil
no stamper nerfs
it took so long to nerf zooka and all they do is 5 frames extra startup, 5 frames seems to be their favorite i guess
also those are some heavy squeezer nerfs wow. a shot velocity, range and movement nerf. i mean i liked squeezer but this is definitely deserved
overall i think they wanted to keep the meta where its at but make it easier to use other options and i think it might actually do a really good job at that! very excited to see what happens
i dont like the edit nerf that much but theyre probably just being careful so that doesnt become the next pencil
no stamper nerfs
it took so long to nerf zooka and all they do is 5 frames extra startup, 5 frames seems to be their favorite i guess
also those are some heavy squeezer nerfs wow. a shot velocity, range and movement nerf. i mean i liked squeezer but this is definitely deserved
overall i think they wanted to keep the meta where its at but make it easier to use other options and i think it might actually do a really good job at that! very excited to see what happens
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So range can't shoot around my shield as easily
Squeezer can't shoot my jetpack as easy
Wellstring can't paint over me as much anymore
Slosher will run out of ink more often
Zooka players have 5 more frames to consider their life choices
and the online got buffed
Yall they buffed brella you just have to have the eyes to see it
Jokes aside I like this patch the scale change was needed and I am glad they didn't touch stamper
My only negative thoughts for this patch is where is the 52 or wall nerf
and also the zooka change is laughably negligible it seems Nintendo doesn't fully understand why we don't like zooka the way it is and would much prefer something like jetpack to take its place
but otherwise neat patch
Squeezer can't shoot my jetpack as easy
Wellstring can't paint over me as much anymore
Slosher will run out of ink more often
Zooka players have 5 more frames to consider their life choices
and the online got buffed
Yall they buffed brella you just have to have the eyes to see it
Jokes aside I like this patch the scale change was needed and I am glad they didn't touch stamper
My only negative thoughts for this patch is where is the 52 or wall nerf
and also the zooka change is laughably negligible it seems Nintendo doesn't fully understand why we don't like zooka the way it is and would much prefer something like jetpack to take its place
but otherwise neat patch
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I still want to know how much "slightly" is for the Pencil nerf.
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We were SCREAMING. and im so happy they fixed that GAME BREAKING BUG where the grizz radio doesn’t jump.
But this was genuinely a good patch, can’t believe they know what a “meta” is now. this honestly might have changed some things up
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I need cooler to NOT be in s4