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No, you're not carrying bad teams, you're throwing.

Discussion in 'Regular Discussion' started by flc, Jun 6, 2015.

  1. K7Sniper

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    Yea, I definitely agree there should be better text options.
     
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    So if holding important positions is not what I'm supposed to do, what am I supposed to be doing in a match?
     
  3. K7Sniper

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    I was actually gonna say the same thing there.

    Perhaps he means that the TEAM threw. You didn't, but the team did.
     
  4. Fightersword

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    you misinterpreted his post. He's saying if you're going to hold something Vital, you need to not die because it's very important to hold. If you do die and throw that away when you should have been able to hold it, then you threw away that advantage and contributed to the loss.
     
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    Okay, then. Here, lemme restate my question: What do I do if I don't have faith in my survival skills but don't want to be the blame for the team losing?
     
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    If he is the only one trying to defend a vital place, how is it that he is the one who threw?

    I think the supposedly misinterpreted post is wrong in their assumption.
     
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    Good lord you're this butthurt you made a passive aggressive thread towards me. You're so childish.
     
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    Wait, what?

    Did I miss something here?
     
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    Care to explain?
     
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    Troll that types essays to disguise passive aggressiveness. Sitting in A+ so he can blow me with his arrogant nonsense.
     
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    we know this from...?
     
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    If it means anything, I can attest for him.

    The whole "git gud" shtick is laughable considering that I see the OP's team losing every time I click on his stream.
     
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    Agosta44 Inkling Fleet Admiral

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    You don't because it's an isolated incident but apparently people don't want to keep it that way.
     
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    apologies to the rest of the viewers of this thread for this drama

    if you insist

    I actually made it because a lot of people, not just you, are complaining about their teams while sitting in the Bs, and a lot of them quote their k/d and the fact that someone on their team was throwing.

    but since you're now convinced I have it in for you (when in fact I'm just tired of your repeated complaints in spite of me offering you advice where I can), I guess I can't expect to reason with you anymore. I think it's best if we agree to keep some distance between each other.

    I mean if you've been going there for the past couple days you probably saw me throwing hard with a charger because I don't know how to use it properly (and yesterday idk what was happening, I was off my game in every regard imaginable), and before that, I was still learning what works on what maps. when I actually go tryhard I carry, but I care more about learning than winning since I can hit A+ any time I want but the best time to learn is always before people have preconceptions

    as soon as I learned how I should be playing I moved on to something I didn't know because I want to get better, which means I'm going to lose a lot

    and 'get good' is only bad advice if you do not provide reasoning behind it, which I always aim to do. if I do say 'get good' or anything to that effect without any qualification, feel free to call me out on it and I will elaborate as best I can.

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    if you don't want to be the reason the team lost, then you're better off holding a safer position that's a little less effective. that, or you take the position and just accept that if you die at the wrong time your team will lose mid. I mean, you have to learn how to hold important positions some time or another. if you're the kind of person who is willing to take vital positions but also is willing to accept responsibility if you fail, then that's great. I'm directing that at people who take these positions, do well in them for a while, and then lose them for some reason or another, and then blame their team for their problems.
     
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    There's nothing more convincing than being borderline harassed by someone because of valid complaints. You're making broad statements and ignoring facts; pretending people don't understand how the game works or the mission objectives. If you play on a weak team, you are highly likely to lose map control if you get ganged by the other team. It forces you to try and make plays and stay within the area around the zone and prevents you from flanking or other necessary plays. If you're the only one on the team trying to keep control you're more than likely to be flanked yourself and it can become a very vicious circle.

    My issue with you is you like to repeat the same rhetoric over and over and unable to follow or display it yourself, and experience the same frustrations as I and many other do while streaming (there's many instances of this if you don't remember and would like to watch your own archives). You can only do so much for a team and if they're not up to snuff it's irrelevant how skilled you are. I myself have been in many situations where I killed 3-4 people at once and my team is nowhere to be seen to take control back of the zone/s and I have to do it myself. The problem is you stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it's not real when you're on peak time hours with Japanese players, who know their head from their ***** in ranked. If you talk to enough players, lurk enough, or watch broad numbers of streams, you'll see that it's easy to lose games because your team is not helping.
     
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    You two hash it out while I go grind to Level 20. *Closes and Locks Bomb Shelter Hatch*
     
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    going to have to disappoint you there m8, I'm not continuing this argument
     
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    Oh good. A firefight would've resulted in my getting splatted for sure, even with the bomb shelter. X_X
     
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    A lot of valid points are made in this thread. But I think it doesn't recognize that the complaint against randoms isn't that one expects to be carried or expects to carry every game. The main issue is that there are some teams that are kind of... missing the point.

    Lately I've had a lot of games where I haven't felt "up to scratch" (most notably on Arowana with a paintbrush, gotta learn how to flank more effectively there.) But I've had plenty of matches where I was solo capping or holding off people and died, and my first thought was not "WHERE WAS MY TEAM" but rather "DAMN, SHOULD'VE JUMPED/ESCAPED/THREW GRENADE/HELD IT" etc. I'll be the first one to point the finger at myself in situations like these.

    At the same time, there are games where I'm looking at my team in sheer amazement. To not tell any stories, there will simply be times when I as a single person am incapable of performing any action until my team makes a move. Why? Usually because I do not have the weapon to solve a problem, or because the other team is working extremely well, and my team is allowing themselves to be face crushed.

    Lately, I have noticed this happening a lot less in ranked. But that doesn't mean bad players don't exist. You concede as much, and I understand that if you are holding a key point, and you fail to keep it, that usually leads to the point in the match where something horrible happens - if not losing the game itself right there, than the point.

    But I think it's fair to say there's a difference between "throwing the game" and "I wasn't good enough to do the work of four people".

    Like I said before, this kind of logic is silly. While one extremely good player is nice, even he/she is going to fall under the weight of FOUR extremely good players. I'm not saying everyone has to reach the height of squid perfection, but this whole "just get good" attitude doesn't solve every problem you're going to have in a game about team play and map control. If my smartest option is to not do anything because the team isn't good enough, and the option you provide is "just get good enough to do everything"...

    Sounds like carrying to me.
     
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