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Splatoon Dev, all creative sense no common sense.

Discussion in 'Regular Discussion' started by Skirmisher, Mar 24, 2018.

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  1. Skirmisher

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    I'm not aware of any way to directly contact Splatoon development so I'm creating this thread to voice my objections to the choices made by the designers and developers of the Splatoon series. Having played Splatoon 1 and 2 I used to think Nintendo developers were horrible. Then I played Breath Of The Wild and changed my opinion. I surmise Nintendo put their best people on BOTW and their worst on Splatoon.
     
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    In Regular Battle Turf War, one of the most aggravating things is the way Splatoon picks the teams. Consider me an ink player, I try to avoid confrontation and lay as much ink as possible. And I use weapons meant for inking as opposed to killing. Before counting the 1000 point bonus for the winning team, I'm likely the top scorer. Given I average a higher score than a lot of random players, the game typically puts me on a team with a sniper or mini gunner. (Random players typically don't score high with those weapons.) So I'm basically punished for playing Turf War as intended by being put on a team with players that likely average a lower score than the opponents on the other team. The solution, don't pick the teams based on player stats.
     
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    MINKUKEL Inkling Fleet Admiral

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    1) Why post on a Splatoon forum if you think the game is so bad you came to the conclusion that Nintendo are 'horrible' based on it.
    2) There's threads for complaining on this forum already. Why not just post there.
    3) Please don't double post. There's an edit button.
    4) Wouldn't it be GOOD if a player who scores lots of points gets grouped with weapons which are generally kill-focused? That means the team is more balanced
    5) That's not how the game works anyway, and I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. If you would play a bit more, you'd notice you get grouped in varying teams
    6) Why even buy Splatoon 2 if the first one was horrible?
    7) Did you even play any other games to come to the conclusion that Nintendo is horrible? You know they have a few dozen classics under their name, right?
    8) I don't know what you mean with a mini gunner, but if you mean a) short-range shooters, you're wrong because they get the highest pnts, b) Splatlings, you're also wrong and they're even some of the rarer weapons
    9) Points isn't the only thing that matters. If a sniper gets 500pts but got the most kills, it's still valuable. Likely, they get annoyed that you don't get enough splats.
    10) You think Splatoon is horrible based on...this one example only?
    11) That's not how Nintendo decides who to put on what game. They don't put their best people on Zelda to put their b-people on Splatoon.
    12) You're not being punished for playing as intended. You're focusing on one thing, and that's painting. Some weapons are better for painting and some for killing, but you should always find a right balance because ultimately you're not just trying to rack up points, you're trying to control a shifting battlefield.
     
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    I'm fairly sure the queue system for the game doesn't care for the weapon any given player is using. Even if it did, the game allows you to change weapons between matches anyways so there really isn't a consistent base standard.

    The game matches players together, most likely with an algorithm that takes into account their Splat Power, or their general performance from previous matches.

    Even in Turf Wars, a good Charger or Splatling can be an invaluable asset if said person is good at their role of suppressing the opponent. I've had more than one match where a dominant player of said weapons could mean the difference between a push into enemy turf or a stalemate at the center of the map or even the opponent rushing into your map.
    I've won a match where the 3 other players on my team were Chargers and I just used the Dualies. Those 3 Chargers were just that good as suppressing the enemies from advancing.

    They even changed the EXP system in Splatoon 2 (and the latter levels in Splatoon 1) to consider that different weapons are just not meant for turfing specifically. Hence why the game only tracks if you've turfed X amount of ink to give you a base EXP value then additional points based only of if you won or lost.
     
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    First off, this is a forum run by fans of the game; Nintendo isn't reading anything posted on here and even if they are there's no way they'd ever openly acknowledge that (outside of supporting a tournament or whatever) and/or it's probably someone who isn't in any position to say anything about development of the game. Coming into a forum where people have dumped hundreds of hours into this game and insulting the people who made it isn't appropriate.

    Second, Nintendo's developers all work on a mixture of games (outside of certain devs being specific to certain games). Many of the devs who worked on Splatoon also worked on Animal Crossing, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of them also did some work in BotW.

    You seem to have a really skewed idea as to how Turf War works.
    Yes, in Turf War you have to ink a lot of ground but your opponents are doing the same thing as well. It's critical to not only focus on inking the ground but also splat your opponents (there's a reason why weapons that can only paint well are some of the least viable in this game). It doesn't matter how many points you have at the end of the game if you're not splatting anyone. You're turning your matches into a 3v4; you're not pulling your weight.

    Chargers don't paint as well as some other weapons; but instead they support their team by making it harder for your opponents to ink turf by playing keep away and in some cases blocking off entire areas and entry points.
    Yes it sucks to get someone who can't snipe on your team but Turf War is where people try out weapons and they have to learn how to get better at sniping some how.

    I'm also not sure what you mean by pairing based on player stats; turf war's matchmaking is completely random.
     
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    The OP is either a troll or signed up exclusively to say this. Either way, we're not going to see them ever again, most likely. Don't you love drive-by complaints?
     
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    Sorry to derive from your main post, but my bias urged me to do so. :p

    As a charger user; they actually do a decent job at paiting areas at a good pace. It’s nothing compared to a slosher, or a roller, but if you know what you’re doing, you can get a area painted fairly well in sub 10 seconds.
     
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    As a "snoipah" who tends to score 1st or 2nd most points on my team almost consistently in my regular Turf battles, I'm glad someone pointed that out and beat me to it. :D
     
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    Yes I meant in comparison to other painting weapons like a slosher, sorry if that wasn't clear!

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    I'm trying okay
     
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    How you play the game is entirely up to you, if it doesn't work, change your strategy.
    Also if you don't like confronting, you can use Quick Respawn on your stuff, and just try to mind your own business.
    Not splatting an...

    He's not coming back is he?...
    oh well

    [​IMG]
     
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    Sniper weapons are flawed. It shoots a stream of ink yet be located behind an obstacle like a wall and stand left, right, or below the stream and it will kill you as if you were in the stream.
     
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    Trying to decipher the short paragraph, please wait...
    Yes, the chargers are flawed. Most of them have a terrible place in the current meta and are a high-risk low-reward weapon for the most of 'em, and these trick shots you're most likely referring to are the only way to make them work nowadays. Have you been around for the broken DMG up scoped E-Liters? Now that was flawed, lol. Damage Up broke so many things in the old game, geez. Thinking back is giving me post-traumatic splats disorder all over again. They're fine-ish in S2. Really. Some of them could use a buff though. *coughs*E-Liter range plz*coughs*
     
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    Incorrect. Believe it or not, Chargers do actually fire a single glob of ink, that is the thing that might splat you. It just leaves behind a stream of ink in its wake.

    If you're being splatted from behind full cover (if its only partial cover, you still aren't safe), then there is a possibility that minor lag is to blame, like if they splatted you right before you ducked behind cover but it took a few frames for it to register on your end, giving the illusion that you were able to duck behind cover when you got splatted just before that.
     
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    And everyone who played Splat1 should remember Inkzooka lag. Same deal.
     
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    I still have nightmares about the time I ducked behind a museum spinner to dodge an inkzooka and exploded like four seconds later
     
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    Blaster weapons are flawed. It shoots a stream of ink yet be located behind an obstacle like a wall and stand left, right, or below the stream and it will kill you as if you were in the stream.
     
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    I'm not incorrect, but you are. The stream remains the same width (although jagged) for the entire distance the sniper weapons fire and you can prove it to yourself by testing the weapon and looking at the ink left on the ground in the test arena. So if I'm fully concealed behind a wall, none of the sniper ink should touch me on the left or right because the wall would block that part of the ink stream.

    Blasters may be flawed, but not for the same reason. Blasters fire an exploding projectile that leaves a trail of ink and then explodes at the end of its travel and probably before that if it hits something. So it makes sense someone can hit you behind cover IF they time it correctly where the projectile explodes as it has passed the cover you're behind. Where blasters may be flawed is the "when" it explodes. If you can, play a friend heads up and try with every blaster the following. Fire the blaster and visually note the distance the projectile travels. Then have your friend fully hide behind cover and fire the blaster parallel to the cover and your friend, but at a distance 1/4, 1/3, 1/2 the distance the projectile travels. If your friend is hit by ink then the blaster is flawed, because the projectile should have traveled further before exploding.
     
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    Refer to the second part of my comment. Minor lag.

    Nothing but a direct hit from a Charger should 1HKO you, it just shouldn't. If you're being splatted while seemingly next to the stream, it means when the opponent fired on their screen, you must've been in their firing line. But very slight latency gives you the illusion that you were not in the way.

    Otherwise, partial cover is not full cover. If even the tiniest portion of you can be registered as your main hitbox, you're are a hitbox, and they can snipe you. Even if its just the slightest angle and they can barely peak you.

    Test a charger for yourself, even in testing, you have to be fairly precise to actually splat with it.
     
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    It sounds like the OP has never played an online game before.

    Strange things happen when 8 consoles are all simultanously comminucating with each other over the internet and you're playing a fast paced game like Splatoon. Especially if you're playing over Wifi.
     
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    Another issue is the initial loading screen. Making us sit through Pearl and Marina is absolute torture. There's no way to skip it and to make matters worse you are required to press the A button through it so you cannot pass the time while it's playing. Furthermore, there's times when you've already been in the game playing and there's a map change. And it loads Pearl and Marina, forcing you to sit through it. I have a theory that happens when Salmon run opens / closes for the day.
     
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    Yah, we'll give you Pearl and Marina being unskippable being annoying. Doesn't help that their announcements a longer than in Splatoon 1 due to Marina's record scratching and there being another mode with a another map rotation + Salmon Run.

    But, if you're playing a game or in a lobby when the map changes, the game doesn't boot you out. It just sends you back to the lobby. If I'm not mistaken the game will only send you back to announcements if: you're in the plaza, have just reconnected to the internet, or if there in some announcement. Salmon Run has not affect on it (unless you were in Salmon Run when is closes).
    That is probably the biggest improvements to this, that you don't have to watch it every time, especially now that we have shorter map rotations.

    But yah, a skip button has been something people have been wanting since Splaton 1.
     
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    Criticism is shown by the true fans, the ones who love the games so much that they want to point out its flaws to make it a better experience. You however, aren't really giving a good reason to as why this thread exists. What's the source of this argument? Splatoon is bad because Snipers are flawed? Blasters are too accurate? A better thread then would be "Are Chargers a Flawed Mechanic of Splatoon 2?" That, or at least create a open letter to the devs that shows a concise argument that's quick and to the point. Right now your argument is disjointed. I'm not sure what your main complaint is.
    Well. I can't blame you there. lol. Splatoon 1 had a skip option. (Though I rarely used it. god bless the SS banter)

    ANYWAYS....I think Splatoon 2 is a phenomenal online shooter, and quite possibly one of the greatest console shooters ever crafted. The weapon balance is incredible, the design and graphical style is top notch, and a solid 60 FPS makes for a superb experience. Yes, Chargers are a tad flawed, there's a bit of messy balancing, but given the size of a game Splatoon is, on a handheld console nonetheless, it is truly a testament to incredible game design by devs who really, really, understand the Switch's hardware. I can forgive stuff like the poor online chat and mobile app garbage and some messy snipers in favor of what is a really innovative game. (Plus, this game gets updated all the time. I'm sure a lot of these issues will be fixed down the road.)
     
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    @Skirmisher, if you have a problem with something I said, you can adress it here, in the very place you started the discussion. Please don't post nonsense like "stop trolling" on my profile page. It seems a bit rude to post that on someone's (public, remember) profile page without context.

    If you've really played this many hours of online shooters in the past, the Chargers' behavior shouldn't surprise you.

    And sure, it's annoying to listen to Pearl and Marina when you boot up the game. But those kinda things are small annoyances that neither ruin the game, nor justify the existence of this thread, and certainly aren't relevatory to any S2 player out there. It comes across as you're just bitching for the sake of bitching.
     
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    @Skirmisher You do realize Nintendo have lots of different development teams that have nothing to do with each other? E.g. the BotW devs are completely different people than those responsible for Splatoon. It's not a matter of 'bad vs. good' devs either, they are just part of the team that fits them the most.

    Also, your criticism regarding the matchmaking algorithm makes zero sense. If you're a player who avoids confrontation and only inks turf, you have to be matched with players who focus more on splatting opponents (e.g. snipers). It's all about balance!
    If you would be only matched with inking-focussed players, your team would lose. Similarly, if four splat-hungry players would be matched together, they would lose.
    The matching algorithm is actually one of the best I've ever seen. Not only does it take your level or rank into account, but also your weapon and your playstyle. Especially the latter is quite hard to detect correctly, so they're really doing a magnificent job.

    Also, you're wrong about 'playing Turf War as intended'. It's not just about inking turf, all aspects of the game are important. In other words: You're not playing it as intended.
     
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    Squidboards has an ignore user option; that will clean up the troll comments in this thread.
     
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    Wow, okay. I'd recommend that everyone else do the same as well, because nothing conducive is going to come out of this thread... not that it was ever going to.
     
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    What does it do? Does it stop notifications going to you form posts form that user?
     
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    I tried doing that, but it caused this thread to vanish! Help!!
     
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    If there ever had been a thread that should get closed, it's this one.
     
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    As my first post indicates this thread is to voice my objections to choices made by the designers and developers of the Splatoon series. In hopes one of them may see my objections and enter them as bugs. I'm not looking for responses to my posts and therefore I turned off notifications. What ignoring a user does is prevent you from seeing posted messages from the user you ignored. I assume the messages are still in this thread, but I can no longer see them. Thus, keeping the thread readable by no longer seeing troll messages and messages that provide no value to this thread.
     
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    Okay.
    Soooooo no value huh.
    Then why make a THREAD about it on a FORUM about SPLATOON? Clearly you aren’t understanding how a lot of things work.
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    This is a Forum about Splatoon so of-course people are going to comment about your in your feelings complaints about a game you clearly don’t understand. These comments have value in what they were trying to convey: this game ain’t perfect. The devs are trying their hardest to keep a lot of squit under control.
    If you wanted it not to blow up so badly you should’ve added some pros to your joycons
    “But whatever”, I say as you ignore me, still in your prissy feelings.
    If anything you’re a troll making a troll thread. ‘Cause this is out right ridiculous.
     
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    Making a thread but not looking for any responses...talk about using forums for literally the opposite of what they're there for.
    Again, this thread should be locked.
    Oh, so then you can't see your own posts anymore?
     
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    *Most passive-aggressive post of 2018*
     
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    @Skirmisher
    I am going to put this nicely your complaint are so varied and very very biased towards your persoanl experience.
    Cause of this alot of the arguement you made so far don't have the weight to make any real change.

    Matchmaking for example has been greatly improved overthe course of the game back in spaltoon 1 you used to be a B+ player paired against S to S+ players and most times.
    So having a charger in a turf war isn't as bad as you might think it to be compared to what it used to be

    Chargers as a whole are decently viable and have their place in a lineup as supression and can be really good with pratice any problem you might have reguards busted hitboxes might be solved with a LAN adapter or simply moving closer to a router to minmize lag.

    Lastly,
    Let me tell you I don't always agree with @MINKUKEL but that is okay I understand where they come from and respect their opinion.
    If you aren't going accept cirticism exists or even try to learn from it you never going to be viewed great player and people will keep viewing you as toxic or as a troll.

    Personally I feel you might be a decent player who is just venting I understand and respect that does it all the time, but don't take out your frustation on other players or ban them cause they don't agree with you,


    Now here is how the thread should have gone... @Chewwiii this is for u

    Con(s)
    -Paid online without dedicated serves. This is a real probelm that has been point and many are concerned that it will do more harm than good

    -Clam blitz this mode is just salt inducing and though I dkn't take it too seriously I feel it needs some changes to be more entertaining and upbeat rather than a 5 minute camping trip

    -Abilities- cold blooded, haunt, respawn punisher, and thermal ink have little to no use and honestly take away from many of the unique gear options and they honestly need a rework or a buff

    -Salmon run this feel more like a grind for a new piece of gear or items they haven't any new bosses, regular or maps and rotations...

    Pro(s):
    decently balanced most time you get away with a non meta choice in weapons and can be as useful as a meta pick (outside of 1 or 2 options)

    Devs understanding the community they might not be watching this site specifically but they understand our needs and concerns do their best to fix them.

    And they are supporting this game liejly for another year or longer after launch with dlc and likely sheldon's picks or maybe even more dlc
    and are willing to support it in smahs bros despite it being a very new IP which shows the support they are putting towards this game (even if you may not notice it right away)

    ***sorry for the essay but there was alot I wanted to cover
     
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    What compelled you to do this when you're surely aware the OP isn't going to pay you any mind? You do you I suppose.
     
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    Maybe not but this was for everyone no one deserves to be left in such a negative mood this thread can help voice concerns and aay what they would improve and that maybe can make it to the devs somehow ( plus I am going to see if I can meet the devs at E3)

    Hoenstly if the OP do listen to the advice (or not it their choice) they could better find their place in the comminity and grow as a player...

    Plus as you said I gotta be me....everyone else is already taken
     
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    IM DYING xD
     
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    OP is being silly (seriously why is this thread not locked yet) but calling them a slur is uncalled for :(
     
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    My apologiesss. I’ll change that in a jiffy. Is it better now?
     
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