How to Calculate Ability Effects

[Ashbringer8]

Ah, I see it now after graphing (((((2*(x/60))-((x/60)^2))*0.2497)*1.92)+1.92) for Swim Speed Up. Thanks for the info.

 

[Box]

Using the data, I've made a graph I'd been wanting to do for a while (Attached).

I can make more with different Damage=X if people want them.

 

[Deleted Member]

So 1 Main is always better than 3 Subs? It seems like you can't reach max unless you have x3 Mains and x9 Subs for that ability.

 

[ch0wchilla]

Brilliant work. Many thanks to all those involved in discovering, calculating and disseminating this precious info :-)

 

[Chocolil]

So about the Special Charge Up data.
Here is my max Special Charge Up gear with the Killer Wail Special. 3 Main 6 Subs
https://my.mixtape.moe/xaoljl.webm

Percentage seems off or I'm doing math wrong. It looks like I'm getting a 22.5% which is 3 Main 0 Sub instead of the 3 Main 6 Subs which I have.

I guess another question is was the Prima Guide wrong or were some abilities changed so I missed it. Defense Up should at max be a 20% reduction according to the guide.

 

[Box]

So about the Special Charge Up data.
Here is my max Special Charge Up gear with the Killer Wail Special. 3 Main 6 Subs
https://my.mixtape.moe/xaoljl.webm

Percentage seems off or I'm doing math wrong. It looks like I'm getting a 22.5% which is 3 Main 0 Sub instead of the 3 Main 6 Subs which I have.

I guess another question is was the Prima Guide wrong or were some abilities changed so I missed it. Defense Up should at max be a 20% reduction according to the guide.

3 Mains and 6 subs is 48 points.
160 / (0.3 * (2*(48/60)- (48/60)^2) + 1) = 124

Special charging in general is kind of weird. That's why I didn't list the percentages in terms of points because I honestly don't know how points interacts with special charge. I know that the game seems to regard the ability as percent going up to 1.3. I believe it and Bomb Range were the abilities that I had no usable data on.

The guide was wrong about defense up. The mined data lists defense going up to 1/6.

 

[° Moteki]

y'all are gods.

 

[UnLucky]

THANK you. Hopefully that gear calculator can finally use accurate values for once. Most of what I've personally seen from my own testing matches up with the numbers you have derived here, so I'm a believer.

It's just that I still don't like "Ink Saver (Main)" being defined as "additional ink" since your actual tank capacity does not change. Each shot from your main weapon costs less ink, up to a 40% reduction, or 60% the original cost. The numbers look correct, though.

Also what IS up with your Defense values? The data mined value of 1/6 is the damage reduction, so you'd be looking at 5/6 normal damage, or 83%. What the guidebook states is the inverse 6/5, or 120%, which I suppose is how much your "defense" is "increasing."

But I think it's a special case here, since no matter what value you use for max Defense, it doesn't counteract max Damage. I believe the game subtracts those points directly before calculating the final value, so you would only see diminishing returns on any excess amount you have over your opponent.

 

[mozeurphok]

Thank you for this wonderful guide ! Really useful and well explained, everything seems to be accurate so far thanks to your formula, bravo !

 

[Box]

Also what IS up with your Defense values? The data mined value of 1/6 is the damage reduction, so you'd be looking at 5/6 normal damage, or 83%. What the guidebook states is the inverse 6/5, or 120%, which I suppose is how much your "defense" is "increasing."

Yeah, once I started noticing the patterns between abilities I got a little lazy with my testing. 86 and 83 are pretty close but I should have noticed the difference. I saw 1/6 and assumed that Nintendo would do something like adding 1/6 to your defense rating and multiplying the damage by the inverse. So my numbers go to 6/7 but I did test it and you're right it goes down to 5/6. I'm correcting the tables at the moment.

This is why I said I trust the formula more than the tables. I actually had run speed and swim speed wrong when I first posted them but I corrected it before anyone noticed (I think).

It's just that I still don't like "Ink Saver (Main)" being defined as "additional ink" since your actual tank capacity does not change. Each shot from your main weapon costs less ink, up to a 40% reduction, or 60% the original cost. The numbers look correct, though.

This I actually did for a few reasons. First of all, this is the way that most testers measured it, by counting the number of extra shots in a full tank. Second, it's more informative to think of ink saver main as increasing the size of your tank than thinking of it as making your main weapon more efficient. Ink recovery is actually just as efficient as ink saver main for both mains and subs but the advantage that ink saver main has is that at any level of ink, you have more shots in your tank before you run dry.

 

[UnLucky]

This I actually did for a few reasons. First of all, this is the way that most testers measured it, by counting the number of extra shots in a full tank. Second, it's more informative to think of ink saver main as increasing the size of your tank than thinking of it as making your main weapon more efficient. Ink recovery is actually just as efficient as ink saver main for both mains and subs but the advantage that ink saver main has is that at any level of ink, you have more shots in your tank before you run dry.

Fair enough, and it's not that I think it isn't useful to treat it that way, but it's a secondary, derived statistic. My main beef was how people used this as "proof" that abilities do not have diminishing returns. Even though by the game's terms, you go from 12>22>30% more efficient, reversing that for 14>28>42% capacity makes it appear as if the bonus is linear. But that's only because 3/5 (-40%) looks worse than 5/3 (+66%), even though it's the same thing.

You can test it the same way as sub weapons. Grab an E-liter and hold a full charge, then mark down how much ink it costs and compare this with various amounts of Ink Saver.

The distinction is important, since it ties in with other abilities and how you use your weapon(s). If you know how much each shot costs, you can set as much aside after a sub weapon or from an empty tank. And you still recover the same amount of ink, so treating Ink Saver like bonus ink capacity also speeds up ink recovery as well, but only for your main weapon.

But as far as practical application, Ink Recovery Up could be rearranged to show % of ink per second, rather than time saved on a full tank:

Spoiler

0Main/0Sub = 33.33% of tank refilled per second
0Main/1Sub = 34.68% of tank refilled per second
0Main/2Sub = 36.14% of tank refilled per second
0Main/3Sub = 37.50% of tank refilled per second
1Main/0Sub = 37.97% of tank refilled per second
0Main/4Sub = 38.96% of tank refilled per second
1Main/1Sub = 39.47% of tank refilled per second
0Main/5Sub = 40.54% of tank refilled per second
1Main/2Sub = 40.82% of tank refilled per second
0Main/6Sub = 41.96% of tank refilled per second
1Main/3Sub = 42.25% of tank refilled per second
2Main/0Sub = 42.86% of tank refilled per second
0Main/7Sub = 43.48% of tank refilled per second
1Main/4Sub = 43.80% of tank refilled per second
2Main/1Sub = 44.44% of tank refilled per second
0Main/8Sub = 44.78% of tank refilled per second
1Main/5Sub = 45.45% of tank refilled per second
2Main/2Sub = 45.80% of tank refilled per second
0Main/9Sub = 46.15% of tank refilled per second
1Main/6Sub = 46.88% of tank refilled per second
2Main/3Sub = 47.24% of tank refilled per second
3Main/0Sub = 47.62% of tank refilled per second
1Main/7Sub = 48.00% of tank refilled per second
2Main/4Sub = 48.39% of tank refilled per second
3Main/1Sub = 48.78% of tank refilled per second
1Main/8Sub = 49.18% of tank refilled per second
2Main/5Sub = 50.00% of tank refilled per second
3Main/2Sub = 50.00% of tank refilled per second
1Main/9Sub = 50.42% of tank refilled per second
2Main/6Sub = 50.85% of tank refilled per second
3Main/3Sub = 51.28% of tank refilled per second
2Main/7Sub = 52.17% of tank refilled per second
3Main/4Sub = 52.63% of tank refilled per second
2Main/8Sub = 53.10% of tank refilled per second
3Main/5Sub = 53.57% of tank refilled per second
2Main/9Sub = 54.05% of tank refilled per second
3Main/6Sub = 54.05% of tank refilled per second
3Main/7Sub = 54.55% of tank refilled per second
3Main/8Sub = 55.05% of tank refilled per second
3Main/9Sub = 55.56% of tank refilled per second

And since most people tested Special Charge Up by how many points it cost to fill your gauge:

Spoiler

0Main/0Sub = 0.00% decrease in points required to charge special
0Main/1Sub = 2.82% decrease in points required to charge special
0Main/2Sub = 5.39% decrease in points required to charge special
0Main/3Sub = 7.66% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/0Sub = 8.42% decrease in points required to charge special
0Main/4Sub = 9.75% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/1Sub = 10.39% decrease in points required to charge special
0Main/5Sub = 11.58% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/2Sub = 12.20% decrease in points required to charge special
0Main/6Sub = 13.27% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/3Sub = 13.79% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/0Sub = 14.31% decrease in points required to charge special
0Main/7Sub = 14.75% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/4Sub = 15.25% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/1Sub = 15.68% decrease in points required to charge special
0Main/8Sub = 16.11% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/5Sub = 16.53% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/2Sub = 16.94% decrease in points required to charge special
0Main/9Sub = 17.29% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/6Sub = 17.70% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/3Sub = 18.03% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/0Sub = 18.37% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/7Sub = 18.70% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/4Sub = 19.03% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/1Sub = 19.29% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/8Sub = 19.61% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/5Sub = 19.87% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/2Sub = 20.13% decrease in points required to charge special
1Main/9Sub = 20.38% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/6Sub = 20.63% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/3Sub = 20.82% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/7Sub = 21.26% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/4Sub = 21.45% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/8Sub = 21.81% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/5Sub = 21.94% decrease in points required to charge special
2Main/9Sub = 22.24% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/6Sub = 22.36% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/7Sub = 22.66% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/8Sub = 22.90% decrease in points required to charge special
3Main/9Sub = 23.02% decrease in points required to charge special

 

[Chocolil]

How much exactly is the Ninja Squid decrease for Swim Speed Up? I guess in my case I'd be running 2 Main 9 Subs.

 

[SquiliamTentacles]

How much exactly is the Ninja Squid decrease for Swim Speed Up? I guess in my case I'd be running 2 Main 9 Subs.

I heard somewhere it is 10%, but am not fully sure.

 

[cwjakesteel]

Are you sure Ink Saver Sub is right? I.e. at maximum ink saver sub will only save you up to 25% of ink used since you are spending only 75% of the amount of ink you would be spending? On the splatoon wiki it said that you reduce ink consumption by 75% instead of reducing ink consumption to 75% of maximum.

Edit:

Nevermind...all of these abilities are quite marginal...

 

[UnLucky]

I heard somewhere it is 10%, but am not fully sure.

That's what I've noticed, too, but it may or may not be something like subtracting 10-12 points worth of Swim Speed Up.

Stealth Jump does not directly counteract Quick Super Jump, though, since it adds way more time on the ground than in the air. To balance out you need 2 main abilities, but only the overall time is the same, the distribution still isn't default.

Are you sure Ink Saver Sub is right? I.e. at maximum ink saver sub will only save you up to 25% of ink used since you are spending only 75% of the amount of ink you would be spending? On the splatoon wiki it said that you reduce ink consumption by 75% instead of reducing ink consumption to 75% of maximum.

Ability caps with full slots:

Spoiler

Damage: 30%
Defense: -16.7% (+20%)
Bomb Range: 50%
Run Speed: 50%
Swim Speed: 25%
Ink Recovery: -40% (+66.7%)
Main Ink Save: -40% (+66.7%)
Sub Ink Save: -25% (+33.3%)
Special Save: 100%
Special Charge: 30%
Special Duration: 40%
Quick Respawn: -33.3% (+50%)
Quick Jump: -50% (+100%)

 

[KeebyKakes]

It looks like with max Special Saver you practically lose nothing when you get splatted, so your special is always safe!

 

[Xano]

Amazing post! Thanks so much for this!

 

[Chocolil]

It looks like with max Special Saver you practically lose nothing when you get splatted, so your special is always safe!

3 Main 6 Subs and 2 Main 6 Subs

Both overkill as hell unless you know you will be jumping straight into battle.
I will probably do 2 Main 3 Sub and the rest Special Charge Up.

 

[robosteven]

>Defense Up increases aren't inversely proportional to Damage Up increase

god nintendo fix your broken game

 

[Chocolil]

99.9% for 3 Main 9 Subs you say?

We all know the .999999 = 1 math conundrum.