You don't have to commit far to camp Walleye, that's the point. The area near the zone you are trying to control is generally the same area you want to control to camp. From a design perspective, Walleye is just horrible, it just doesn't play out that poorly in practice outside of Zones because you're given incentive to move.
Why would you need to push into enemy territory when a wall blocks 1 passage and an eliter can effective hold down mid and right entrance? That leaves 2-3 people to move freely and hold the zone.
On second thought, I concur; banning maps can be easily substituted with map counterpicks. Tediosity isn't an issue.
One E-liter 3K cannot hold down both mid and one of the side paths by a long shot. (see what I did there?)
If you substitute banning maps with map counterpicks, then certain maps force a team to use up a ban. Bans become less ptional and more mandatory. For example, Halberd, from Super Smash Bros. Brawl should have been banned.
if both teams don't want to play on it neither will. if one team is better than you and picks it, you've plainly been outplayed by someone with higher diversity. this isn't smash bros where the characters are uneven. you can have identical weapon lineups on both sides.
No I don't. Feel free to enlighten me and disprove it.
I disagree. You got the middle "no man's land" zone, some pipes on each side you can climb, also all the plateforms above. If one of your teamates put beacons in the north zone it's extremly easy to come back because it took time to destroy them, given the size of the zone. And they can't be everywhere. Of course they still got an advantage (especially with an e-liter or a splash wall) but that's alright, they got the zone.
...In your opinion.
While that may be true, the community does not absolutely need to ban a map because it is not entertaining to watch even it is reasonable to ban it for the aforementioned reason. (I am not implying you said it was necessary)
Hear me out for a second. It's good to think about what stages to ban, but not to ban them yet. We're in early stages of the game, yes, I agree with you that we shall not ban now. However, if no solution comes up in some of these gametypes with problems, we'll have to ban them. It's not to say that we must ban now, it's to say that we should be having specific gametypes on our radar.
ugh and that as well would be awful to mess around with. Although, I think it would be good to test stuff like that out, such as banning eliter on Moray for a tournament. However, I think at the same time, I do not find the e-liter that broken to be banned. But hey, testing would be great.
There are always people who will miss them. I know I heard someone on the boards already saying they hope it's not banned, and it was already mentioned that Turf really only isn't interesting at this point because there's no proper spectator mode.
