Mafia 1 | D2

[xCoCo]

Sorry I'm just trying to wrap my head around all of this. I'm not quite sure how to "read" someone so I'm such going through everything and trying to formulate an opinion on the two people Drez mentioned; its taking longer then expected.

 

[xCoCo]

edit: So I'm just*

 

[Drez]

Yeah an opinion is fine. Also try to get an opinion on a third person that sticks out to you. So try for three at least. I know it might take a while, but it'll help you start. Squid should do this too in fact.

 

[Bruce Squillis]

Also, Coco, I recommend a bit of textual support. Try to scrutinize any posts that you get odd vibes from, and then put those suspicions into words regarding that player and their stance in the game. Vice-versa for a town read. The next step is just saying why you like or don't like a player. Simple as that.

 

[Bruce Squillis]

I see you are over-thinking things here, and can see it's a sign you are townie. I have lately considered that it's possible he's townie who is too stubborn to even buckle down as you can see with his recent replies to me. (For example, the Coco point) He carries on in the same way and still scumreads me, and I find it townie because one does what one believes firmly, as town. I would like to re-direct your scumdar to Marigi, though. Upon a scumflip of Boss nova, I would definitely look to Mari, as she has been soft defending boss, was wishy washy on him, and gets off him when the time is right. (He claimed, and then she got off immediately towards a bad push on Squid, which she also backs off)

I think Marigi's a dude.
Anyway, I noticed Marigi pulling a double-stop on squid as soon as I pointed out the pushes' flaws. I said that was kind of sus, but really I just passed it off as an indecisive newbie mistake. However, I didn't notice the instances where he was defending Boss, as he was previously voting him. To keep things in the present:

@Marigi174, what's your read on Boss? After backing off Squid, who are you considering voting at this stage in the game?

 

[Bruce Squillis]

@Drez, have you been taking notes of everyone JC has fossed/voted? If so, then we should really study all of his reads in order to find discrepancies. The devil may be in the details on that one.

 

[Bruce Squillis]

Btw, I'm all caught up. If I didn't answer a previous post, or missed something along the way, feel free to bring it back up. I'll be happy to address it again! (not really; it's just grunt work...)

 

[h.JC]

i'm sure i've contradicted myself at some point, so that'll be fun

 

[Bruce Squillis]

i'm sure i've contradicted myself at some point, so that'll be fun

You might want to clear that up now instead of having it come back to haunt you.

 

[xCoCo]

Mafiascum! Sorry, TvS means Town to Scum. SvS means Scum to Scum. So we say SvS when we are talking about a scum and scum interaction. We say TvS when we talk about a Town and Scum interaction. SvT would mean the same thing but backwards (Scum and Town)

Hope you understand. What do you think about my assessment on H.jc, Coco?

This doesn't exactly answer your question but I thought I would add since it has to do with h.JC. The only reason why I made those "maybe I'm mafia maybe I'm not" etc was to gauge how other reacted. I think three people defended me (I have to double check if i is three then at least one of them is town) but back to JC. He seemed to be eager in suspecting me (which does make sense considering my debatable posts). But I highly doubt mafia would make such posts and be obvious. Better yet if you're town I think you should be asking questions instead of biting the bait - (I thought perhaps he wanted to encourage a mislynch). He said that my way of blending in was to vote for Squid - which I didn't I merely only suspected him. h.JC could be an aggressive townie but the posts he made to me seemed a bit too aggressive (again that's just my opinion). Although I do appricate he stopped for the time being - it also could I have been because he didn't want to raise flags or be more stand offish.

Speaking of Squidy - he made a post about joking and then vanished?

 

[Drez]

@Drez, have you been taking notes of everyone JC has fossed/voted? If so, then we should really study all of his reads in order to find discrepancies. The devil may be in the details on that one.

I haven't actually taken notes. (I go make cases and then re-read the thread, that's mostly what I do) Like I explained to you in the quote, I came out to like him and do not find anything questionable as of now. If you want to you can. On Mari, I feel she has been abusing the newbie card too much. Especially with her read on Jex, she gave a scum read on Boss that seemed legit, and tried to re-direct attention on Jex.

 

[xCoCo]

p.s i'm saying JC is scum I just don't trust him right now

 

[xCoCo]

edit; I'm not saying*

 

[Bruce Squillis]

An example of the perspective he has given would be the one about coco/squid master. As for his tone, it's hard to explain, it's more of a general gut read throughout his posts.

This makes no sense. There are times when you simply have trouble reading, and there's nothing much to do about it. If I could get a better read on anyone at anytime, there would really be no reason for Days beyond Day 1 to exist since I would have every single read sorted out by the end of Day 1.

Okay, okay, I get not being able to read someone. I was only going after you because it really didn't look like you were trying to read him in the first place, at least, not the way I would go around it. I'm not expecting you to have every read sorted out by day one, but I wanted to hound this one just to see if you could actually develop it. No offence, but your reads are kind of stale at the moment. Are you still planning to go after Bossanova? Or have you started looking at different slots?

This has gotten to the point where we're just going in circles, and I'm trying to you to do something you either don't want to do, or can't do at the current stage in the game.
##Unvote

 

[h.JC]

nah, it wasn't on any specific issue bruce, i'm just not spending a bunch of time trying to craft masterful posts to go in the mafia hall of fame, so there's probably some opinion i bring forth that i don't follow through completely, or weird turns of thoughts without a paragraph of explanation with it. i didn't have anything in mind when i made the post. like iirc my posts went from "drez is my most likely scum target" to "maybe tvt" without much in the thread supporting the change in thoughts.

 

[Bruce Squillis]

Getting my thoughts in order.

Town: Drez
Lean town: African American, Coco,
Uncertain: Jexs
Null-ish: Squid
Possible scum: h.JC, Bossanova, Marigi

And that's how I see it right now.

If there were ten seconds left, I'd say screw it and vote Boss, but there's still time to go over things, and Boss needs to say more. I'm not really content with what he's posted so far, but I get that time constraints are a thing.
People keep telling me to look at Marigi. I don't really know what I'll find there, but ehhh...
I'm still up-in-the-air about JC, but I feel like there's still something questionable I might've missed. I'm not sure what it was, but I don't think he's off the hook quite yet. I want to see where his defense of Boss actually goes, and who he'll end up voting.
Squid hasn't been seen in ages, so there's not much to say that's relevant.
I'm backing off of Jexs, but I really want some decisiveness from his slot. As in: "blank is town, I'm going to vote blank because I deem them scum" etc, etc.
Coco still pretty new-town to me, plus she's getting her head back in the game with that follow-up on JC. Seems like she's forming suspicions, the question is, will she follow-up on those?
I know he's going to hound me for saying this, but I still haven't seen enough of African American, and that's a shame because I feel like his opinions now, more than ever, will really count. I also want him to pitch in with voting, but it's getting down to the wire, and I hope he'll deliver soon.
Drez is town. He's consistently shown credible thoughts on all the players he's pushed, as well as reviewing the game rigorously to make heads or tails of it. That's what I like to see. Also, I think our reads line up somewhat similarly, so that's a plus.

 

[Bruce Squillis]

nah, it wasn't on any specific issue bruce, i'm just not spending a bunch of time trying to craft masterful posts to go in the mafia hall of fame, so there's probably some opinion i bring forth that i don't follow through completely, or weird turns of thoughts without a paragraph of explanation with it. i didn't have anything in mind when i made the post. like iirc my posts went from "drez is my most likely scum target" to "maybe tvt" without much in the thread supporting the change in thoughts.

Eh, I just like to put lots of thought, and a sprinkle of love into every post I write. I try to put everything down in the thread. Playing town is kind of like being an open book for me. It makes it really hard to replicate when I'm scum. If I'm going to jump from point A to point B in the matter of one post, I best be sure there's a great explanation to go along with it. It comes down to really mapping your thoughts, and writing what you think along the way.

 

[Bruce Squillis]

Nearly time to turn in. Wind Waker HD ate up a lot of my time, lol.
Anyhow, Gn, and hopefully things are clearer in the morning.

 

[h.JC]

Alright, I think it's a good time to analyze a plaer I've been pretty intersted in: h.JC. There's a lot of discussion going on about him, so I'd like to take a minute to offer my own thoughts.

I'm glad to be a part of Splatoon's first Mafia
... game

So, later in the thread, you'll find JC pushing on Coco for the post "maybe i'm mafia, maybe i'm not". That really boils down to wifom, and his first post of the game is pretty similar. It could just be page one fluff, though. The quoted post above isn't scummy imo, but it becomes a bit more so given his other posts this game.

After that, he explains not joining RVS. I agree with Bruce that it is a stage that particularly benefits scum for a free vote. Interstingly, Bruce was the first one to engage in RVS, but that's not who this post is about. AFter this, we have this gem right here:

I would like to take a moment to make an
xX~~!!!OFFICIAL* SQUIDBOARDS MAFIA ANNOUNCEMENT!!!~~Xx
i am town

This is null, similar to the first post quoted. It doesn't mean anything at this time, but it could be the start of a playstyle. For now, I'd guess that he's trying to set up some kind of meta and that he is actually town from this. If he were to flip scum, the post couldn't be trusted ever again, but if he used this in occasional game as town, it could set up a nice meta for the people that use past games to scumread.

Squid Master, is your accusation of Bruce serious?

so am I. ;)

Now, this is something I didn't notice earlier. SquidMaster actually makes a post after being asked if it was a joke post, but doesn't come in to explain it until much later. I feel like SquidMaster may be scum trying to hide his scummyness behind "ya joke guys lol". Still, this post isn't about him, so let's get back to JC

I also try to look out for people derailing the thread or asking too many questions instead of contributing.

This looks like a tongue-in-cheek response to African American's barrage of questions to star tthe game off. Based on his later posts, I think he started with a tentative scum read here, but never brought it up and has since changed his mind.

throwing out the weakest of fos's on this. seems to be trying really hard hard to appear helpful without actually offering anything. however, we have about a page of people offering advice, which is why it isn't that strong at all. i'm not sure what about this post is setting me off compared to the rest he and bruce are posting.

What's the point of this? Why bring up a suspicion if you aren't even confident in it or sure why you have it? I think he's relying too much on other town members' reads. This could be scum trying to protect their image, but I could see a timid town looking for opinions on his own unsure thoughts as well. This can be seen with his vote of Coco. It's clearly an unpopular opinion, and one I think scum would try not to do. Instead, he shows initiative and tries to get explanation on the differences between his read and everyone else's. In the end, he unvotes, likely taking their thoughts into consideration to form a new read.

If we are the most suspicious of the players that haven't posted, it is not good to kill them, because the modkills works as a free lynch in our favor without a night kill to balance it out. Because of this, if it wouldn't immediately end the game, killing a different player is optimal. With 9 players and 2 scum, 2 modkills a lynch and a nightkill brings us to 5 player. Assuming we whiff all of it, it is lylo, which still does not end the game.

The next few pages don't have anything about the game, but posts like these raise a few flags because they're just about theory instead of the game at hand. He does apply this into thoughts about the game at some point though i.e. "I don't want to lynch the floaters", which is nice. Additionally, the variety of different cultures in this game does make theory discussion needed to understand where the pushes are coming from.

... HOS drez

I don't believe that Drez can have no opinions without people answering all of the questions first. There is definitely enough content in here to make some iniital thoughts. Bossanova clearly demonstrated this.

It seems like Drez is trying to see what everyone thinks of everyone else before giving any information. This is a move that benefits scum, as it allows for them to strategize and find popular mislynch targets without committing.

When Drez enters the thread, JC is immediately suspicious of him. I ike his reasoning, and Drez's "wait and see" response kinda ticks me off. When Boss entered the thread, he went through and managed to make comments. I still don't get why Drez would need to ask all of those questions before formulating anything--especially since he mentions having some lean reads before his questions get answered.

Yes, I currently read him as town. As I mentioned, Drez and JeXs are the two from the four votes that I find the most scummy (although JeXs did recently unvote).

JC says this, but I don't feel like it's particularly true. It seems that he was pushing on the lgoic used on Boss, and because he found the people accusing him scummy, he found Boss town. With this just post, it may look the other way around, i.e. finding boss town so attacking the people accusing him. If Boss comes up scum, JC looks pretty bad as this could be the "chainsaw defense"

 

[Marigi174]

@Marigi174, what's your read on Boss? After backing off Squid, who are you considering voting at this stage in the game?

ATM, Bossanova is null for me. I am leaning towards townie atm, but I am going to do a full re-read before I make any decisions.
Wooo! Thirteen pages of stuff to read!

Also yeah Drez I'm a guy. I'm not picky tho, so its whatever :] Just out of interest, what gave you the impression that I was a girl (pure interest, nothing more :])