Ink or Sink Tournament! v.1.1b Final Version!
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GameGalaxy64
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I look forward to your findings!
Agosta44
Inkling Fleet Admiral
Majority of those chokeholds are worse than Saltspray because 1) you need to enter the enemy spawn area and 2) there's only 1 entrance.
If you try and get to the rainmaker they can kill you and hold you off. If they think they're going to lose it they scoop it up and take off to your pillar as you're all trying to fight into their base.
If you try and get to the rainmaker they can kill you and hold you off. If they think they're going to lose it they scoop it up and take off to your pillar as you're all trying to fight into their base.
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[EJ]_Locke
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Guess I am salty now......Well, from what we have tested...(This has nothing to do with Ink or Sink, but :p...Is there a better place to post this kind of stuff?)
Rainmaker
Walleye Warehouse:
can be pretty game breaking. (At the L shaped area with grates). If you can combo walls and rainmaker shots (or just leave the rainmaker unexploded) + wails then you can hold the area down pretty well at the opponents side. Working on counters for this, may be inkstrikes, wails... (Big Key... RM does not return to mid)
Port Mackerel:
Stalling at the enemy side alley (the one where you can access via the block) is not very ideal or game changing. Enemy spawn is right there, but maybe because we did not spam walls enough is why it did not work so well. Stalling at 1 minute mark at your own alley is easy, as long as your team can hold down with wall spam. (We stalled on the left side, with the block. Stalling on the right side may be safer as there is no block.
Flounder Heights:
The only area that may be abused are the long walls on the left and right side of the map. If you can hang there with the rainmaker, it is easy to build up a defense around that area. Other than that, business as usual it seems.
Saltspray Rig:
Stalling at North is 50-50 at times. A big push by the opponent can be done to take over North (Unless we were doing it wrong, probably...) Also when timer runs out, the RM eturns to mid, which could be a problem. (Interested in hearing others opinions on this)
Arowana Mall:
We could not successfully do the wall glitch consistently to stall at their base...(did not work on it enough also) Stalling at your own base is only worth the one minute mark, which could be achieved with walls. Seems like a plausible way to stall...
Camp Triggerfish...
Stalling at their big wall base may be helpful... but why do that if you can get the knockout. It may work, but we did not play on it as much.
Did Not Test:
Urchin, Bluefin, Moray, Dome, Skatepark (I know... we should have...) and Hammerhead Bridge :)P) But there will be other sessions.
Feel free to contact me if you want in.
Do not take these findings as FACT, they are simply a small sample size and there could be many possibilities to counter certain circumstance. I would love to hear others chime on with their thoughts.
Rainmaker
Walleye Warehouse:
can be pretty game breaking. (At the L shaped area with grates). If you can combo walls and rainmaker shots (or just leave the rainmaker unexploded) + wails then you can hold the area down pretty well at the opponents side. Working on counters for this, may be inkstrikes, wails... (Big Key... RM does not return to mid)
Port Mackerel:
Stalling at the enemy side alley (the one where you can access via the block) is not very ideal or game changing. Enemy spawn is right there, but maybe because we did not spam walls enough is why it did not work so well. Stalling at 1 minute mark at your own alley is easy, as long as your team can hold down with wall spam. (We stalled on the left side, with the block. Stalling on the right side may be safer as there is no block.
Flounder Heights:
The only area that may be abused are the long walls on the left and right side of the map. If you can hang there with the rainmaker, it is easy to build up a defense around that area. Other than that, business as usual it seems.
Saltspray Rig:
Stalling at North is 50-50 at times. A big push by the opponent can be done to take over North (Unless we were doing it wrong, probably...) Also when timer runs out, the RM eturns to mid, which could be a problem. (Interested in hearing others opinions on this)
Arowana Mall:
We could not successfully do the wall glitch consistently to stall at their base...(did not work on it enough also) Stalling at your own base is only worth the one minute mark, which could be achieved with walls. Seems like a plausible way to stall...
Camp Triggerfish...
Stalling at their big wall base may be helpful... but why do that if you can get the knockout. It may work, but we did not play on it as much.
Did Not Test:
Urchin, Bluefin, Moray, Dome, Skatepark (I know... we should have...) and Hammerhead Bridge :)P) But there will be other sessions.
Feel free to contact me if you want in.
Do not take these findings as FACT, they are simply a small sample size and there could be many possibilities to counter certain circumstance. I would love to hear others chime on with their thoughts.
GameGalaxy64
Inkling Cadet
Very interesting! I wonder how these scenarios will turn out in tournament play and SCL?
Flying_Tortoise
Sushi Chef
doesn't really help but just to make sure for Walleye should you be able to take back the RM from that spot, you can still SD off the stage to reset it correct? At least there is that but I agree seems like a lot of work. I couldve sworn their was a block to help get up that way for RM but I guess not.
Agosta44
Inkling Fleet Admiral
You stall in YOUR base. Not theirs.
Well that's just silly. If the other team can take it from you you're just giving them a head start!
Note: I've never actually tried this strategy so I don't know how easy it is to keep the other team from taking it
Note: I've never actually tried this strategy so I don't know how easy it is to keep the other team from taking it
It seems to have worked when we did it at their base. (at least in Walleye) Stalling at your base can be done in most maps for the last minute. So there is that... Getting killed at your own base and leaving the rainmaker unpopped is the most ideal situation, maybe I am not looking at this from the right perspective.
Just to be clear, doing it at their base in Walleye is the only probable time when you can do it at their base. As the rainmaker can explode and not reset at mid. If you lock it down, (which was pretty easy from our experience) than you can stall the match. Like I said these are not conclusive results. Stalling at your base for the one minute mark is pretty easy on several maps.
Flying_Tortoise
Sushi Chef
did my response make it seem like I meant the other way?
huh.. well i meant what you said but was refering to someone who was trying to get the RM from the enemy who put it in their base. Basically saying if you manage to grab it from the enemy you can SD and reset it to middle. And that if there was a block to help you get up to the enemy's side, that would've helped out the stalling but I guess that block isn't there
There is a block that gets you up there though. And yea, a last resort SD could help.
Flying_Tortoise
Sushi Chef
oh...then I guess I should play more to find out why it's game-breaking. Annoying perhaps but with coordination and a good team composition it can't be that bad.
edit: inb4 complete destruction on Walleye
Probably will be a counter to it. But from what we have seen (not much) it has the greatest stall potential.
We have noted possible coordination counters to it also... all of this stuff definitely needs more work and more people working on it.
Bottlecapn
Inkling Commander
Welp. Aside from the interesting talk of rainmaker strats, meta, and the like, I'd like to give my goodbye to the tourney. Was fun, unfortunately I wasn't able to participate in the majority of it. Tentacle Difficulties had a good run! We'll be back next time!
Also, Turf War sucks. Don't use it. Please. Ever. Again. PLEASE.
Thanks for the tourney!
Also, Turf War sucks. Don't use it. Please. Ever. Again. PLEASE.
Thanks for the tourney!
Hope
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What are you talking about? Port Mackerel turf war is a pinnacle of the competitive meta, every time someone would shoot ink over into the enemy side of the map the lead would shift to that team! This is the most ~~emergent game play~~ I've seen in years, why you never know who the game will go to! The excitement and glory are unparalleled!! None of these players actually playing it competitively know anything.
/sarcasm
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Splatgreed. Everybody is sleeping on port mack turf.
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