Metroid Social Thread: Splatoon

[BlackZero]

The issue with that, along with the huge plot hole, is that she isn't under command of the Galactic Federation any more than two times throughout the series. She runs of her free accord for the most part.

That's what makes her so effective. Professional militaries are bound by rules of engagement (jus-in-bello). Samus isn't. That's the whole point behind them hiring her: she can do what needs to be done without the bureaucratic process and politics getting in the way. Forcing her to abide by the same RoE as the Federation defeats the whole purpose of hiring her in the first place. Metroid Prime II (IIRC) explains how the Federation based their weaponry on Samus' Chozo weapons.

They have missiles. They have power beams. They aren't as good as the originals, but they don't need Samus just for firepower. They need her because she has more freedom to do what needs to be done. They take advantage of this by not letting her do that. Ugh. Honestly, I have no idea why Adam is considered such a great leader. He literally demonstrates zero strategic or tactical affinity and makes decisions that would make Gen. Westmoreland shake his head in disbelief.

 

[Ink Gunner Emily]

That's what makes her so effective. Professional militaries are bound by rules of engagement (jus-in-bello). Samus isn't. That's the whole point behind them hiring her: she can do what needs to be done without the bureaucratic process and politics getting in the way. Forcing her to abide by the same RoE as the Federation defeats the whole purpose of hiring her in the first place. Metroid Prime II (IIRC) explains how the Federation based their weaponry on Samus' Chozo weapons.

They have missiles. They have power beams. They aren't as good as the originals, but they don't need Samus just for firepower. They need her because she has more freedom to do what needs to be done. They take advantage of this by not letting her do that. Ugh. Honestly, I have no idea why Adam is considered such a great leader. He literally demonstrates zero strategic or tactical affinity and makes decisions that would make Gen. Westmoreland shake his head in disbelief.

Exactly. However, the only reason Adam has a big role in Other M is because of his mention in Fusion as one of Samus's COs. Though in Fusion, Adam turns out to be the computer on the BSL station. Other M took the concept of Adam as Samus's CO and applied it to the game, though it was done fairly horribly. However, they did take care in putting in the parts mentioned in Fusion, like Adam taking his own life. Aside from the sake of being a Metroid Fusion reference, he has no other purpose in Other M. Speaking of Fusion returns, Nightmare in his full bodied state is in Other M. Though the most useless boss ever is the Hard Mode final boss, Phantoon.

 

[Draayder]

Though the most useless boss ever is the Hard Mode final boss, Phantoon.

Phantoon is so hilarious, just everything about the process that led to the result.

"What enemy should we use for the SUPER BONUS BOSS?" "idk that one boss fight in Fusion I guess??" "okay so what happens if the player screws up the overkill shot to defeat it" "uhhhhh I guess it'll just murder itself for you?" "so why is this thing attacking the bottle ship?" "...............................it just is"

 

[Dolphoshi]

the thing i like about other M is Samus isn't the center off attention you can't expect to have people bow down to you where ever you go and the varia suit thing adam isn't always going to watch samus he has other team members he has to keep up with and make sure they are doing what they need to other M shows that the story doesn't have to be just about you and you are never going to find out everything, I will admit that samus is a bit sexualized in other M but I blame team ninja for that

 

[BlackZero]

Phantoon is so hilarious, just everything about the process that led to the result.

"What enemy should we use for the SUPER BONUS BOSS?" "idk that one boss fight in Fusion I guess??" "okay so what happens if the player screws up the overkill shot to defeat it" "uhhhhh I guess it'll just murder itself for you?" "so why is this thing attacking the bottle ship?" "...............................it just is"

To be fair, Phantoon didn't make much sense in Super Metroid either. I was never sure if he was a Space Pirate leader like Ridley, Kraid, and (presumably) Draygon. He just sort of shows up and Samus sweeps the floor with him, then kicks his *** for not getting in the corners.

 

[Ink Gunner Emily]

Phantoon is so hilarious, just everything about the process that led to the result.

"What enemy should we use for the SUPER BONUS BOSS?" "idk that one boss fight in Fusion I guess??" "okay so what happens if the player screws up the overkill shot to defeat it" "uhhhhh I guess it'll just murder itself for you?" "so why is this thing attacking the bottle ship?" "...............................it just is"

Well one detail is wrong in what you said. I should of clarified more. Phantoon was originally a Super Metroid boss, but I do get your jist. lol

The stupid thing is that Phantoon really had no major purpose outside haunting a downed ship in Super Metroid. With that game at least, his presence was not too far fetched. With Other M, they just slapped him in just because they wanted a ending game boss for Hard Mode and didn't want to full on recycle the Queen Metroid. Horray for Metroid 2 Return of Samus.

I will admit that samus is a bit sexualized in other M but I blame team ninja for that

Well, It's not just Team Ninja anymore. Nintendo is now to blame too. Why? Look at the model of Samus for the new smash game. They are using the Other M model! They have pretty much said," This is now how Samus will look." That's Nintendo's decision! After Other M, Team Ninja didn't have much to do with what happened to Samus since she is a name sake character of Nintendo.

To be fair, Phantoon didn't make much sense in Super Metroid either. I was never sure if he was a Space Pirate leader like Ridley, Kraid, and (presumably) Draygon. He just sort of shows up and Samus sweeps the floor with him, then kicks his *** for not getting in the corners.

Okay, I will grant you that. Phatoon's place in Super Metroid was odd. Though he is a ghost and when ghosts haunt a location, not many question why when it comes to a game. They just fight the ghosts, if they are killable, and move on. Though there have been speculations that Phantoon is a hologram projected of Mother Brain. I don't know if this would be plausible, but it's a theory at least.

 

[Dolphoshi]

Well, It's not just Team Ninja anymore. Nintendo is now to blame too. Why? Look at the model of Samus for the new smash game. They are using the Other M model! They have pretty much said," This is now how Samus will look." That's Nintendo's decision! After Other M, Team Ninja didn't have much to do with what happened to Samus since she is a name sake character of Nintendo.

that unfortunately is how samus is prorated the faster you beat metroid super/ original the more of her you get to see, sadly in this age not many people know how to do a female character and I don't have time to stare at samus's breasts in smash it's too fast paced, besides for most of her games she is in her armor most of the time so you really can't tell (I don't think nintendo fans play nintendo for looking at girl bodies)
a game isn't bad because it stepped outside the box and game is bad when it's not complete (sonic anyone) or if it makes fun of it's fanbase (banjo kazzoie nots and bolts) in fact if they don't step outside of the box their game will die (CoD is getting old) so looking forward to federation force because playing a metroid game with friends can be really cool and nintendo's is very good at having great single player content so i'm not to worried about it a "real" metroid game will come down the line soon enough

 

[Draayder]

I feel like theres a pretty big distinction between "all the bad guys are dead, I can relax and get out of this armor and maybe hit the club" (and make an Aliens reference) and "I am randomly choosing to fight things while in a skin tight catsuit and high heels". Ones a pretty sensible, realistic to do (which could still be sleevy based on context but isn't inherently), the other is usually to give people some boobs and *** to look at.

 

[Ink Gunner Emily]

that unfortunately is how samus is prorated the faster you beat metroid super/ original the more of her you get to see, sadly in this age not many people know how to do a female character and I don't have time to stare at samus's breasts in smash it's too fast paced, besides for most of her games she is in her armor most of the time so you really can't tell (I don't think nintendo fans play nintendo for looking at girl bodies)

No. That's where I need to stop you. I don't think you've been paying attention to how pissed a lot of Nintendo Fans are about her new look and do not use the excuse of old games to say that people wouldn't know her proportions. Her proportions were set by the concept art in Super Metroid. Infact, Nintendo Power had a image of Samus in her suit and how looks in real life under the suit. Her proportions were realistic enough. It couldn't be fully expressed in sprites but her losing her armor if you beat it at a faster time or if she died, did hold a sexualiztion value that wasn't pornographic or unnecessary. She stands tall and confident, not sexual and seductive. With Other M Samus, her proportions were enhance and her butt was the main focus in a lot of shots that involved her. There was a unnecessary amount of sexualazation going on with her. The difference is that they upped her proportions and purposely sexualized her and practically dehumanized her all at once in Other M. That same model was used for the Smash with the intention of telling us this is her new look now. That's a slap in the face to everyone who has played the Metroid series and have been dedicated fans for years. So yes, Nintendo fans have been paying attention of Samus's looks and they do care when there are unnecessary changes.

While this is a bit small, this was the image released by Nintendo Power for Super Metroid. While there have been slight tweaks to her look over the years, it's has mostly stayed the same in her proportions. There was no unnecessary sexualiztion. It was passable enough to us, the fans. But due to Other M, that is thrown out the window.

 

[BlackZero]

Okay, I will grant you that. Phatoon's place in Super Metroid was odd. Though he is a ghost and when ghosts haunt a location, not many question why when it comes to a game. They just fight the ghosts, if they are killable, and move on. Though there have been speculations that Phantoon is a hologram projected of Mother Brain. I don't know if this would be plausible, but it's a theory at least.

That's true. I don't really know what Phantoon is supposed to be in Super Metroid, but it really doesn't make a difference. Still, it has a statue in the Tourian gateway, so I wonder if it's connected to the Space Pirates. At the very least, it would imply he served Mother Brain.

so looking forward to federation force because playing a metroid game with friends can be really cool and nintendo's is very good at having great single player content so i'm not to worried about it a "real" metroid game will come down the line soon enough

I'm the fence about that one. I'm glad they're trying to do some world building with Metroid. Then again, after Other M, I'm not exactly drooling over more Federation in my Metroid games. I hope they pick the series up again. Other M left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and Fed Force is going to get some backlash. I'm worried that Nintendo may be a bit gun shy with Metroid and shelf it for several years.

 

[JFL]

the thing i like about other M is Samus isn't the center off attention you can't expect to have people bow down to you where ever you go and the varia suit thing adam isn't always going to watch samus he has other team members he has to keep up with and make sure they are doing what they need to other M shows that the story doesn't have to be just about you and you are never going to find out everything, I will admit that samus is a bit sexualized in other M but I blame team ninja for that

So the thing you like is that Samus isn't the main character in her own series and that NPCs interact with her in completely irrational ways? Ok then.

 

[BlackZero]

It couldn't be fully expressed in sprites but her loosing her armor if you beat it at a faster time or if she died, did hold a sexualiztion value that wasn't pornographic or unnecessary.

Not gonna lie, that Crystal Flash animation in Super Metroid was hella sexy.

 

[Draayder]

Here's a larger copy of the image behind the spoiler.

Spoiler

Note that she's listed as 6'3 and 198 pounds, which is what you'd honestly expect of someone that tall with as much muscle as she'd realistically have.

Here's a pretty good comparison of how she used to look vs the Other M look (they made her WAAAY shorter but iirc Nintendo has already directly nixed her being that short)

Spoiler

 

[Dolphoshi]

So the thing you like is that Samus isn't the main character in her own series and that NPCs interact with her in completely irrational ways? Ok then.

such is life

 

[Dolphoshi]

No. That's where I need to stop you. I don't think you've been paying attention to how pissed a lot of Nintendo Fans are about her new look and do not use the excuse of old games to say that people wouldn't know her proportions. Her proportions were set by the concept art in Super Metroid. Infact, Nintendo Power had a image of Samus in her suit and how looks in real life under the suit. Her proportions were realistic enough. It couldn't be fully expressed in sprites but her losing her armor if you beat it at a faster time or if she died, did hold a sexualiztion value that wasn't pornographic or unnecessary. She stands tall and confident, not sexual and seductive. With Other M Samus, her proportions were enhance and her butt was the main focus in a lot of shots that involved her. There was a unnecessary amount of sexualazation going on with her. The difference is that they upped her proportions and purposely sexualized her and practically dehumanized her all at once in Other M. That same model was used for the Smash with the intention of telling us this is her new look now. That's a slap in the face to everyone who has played the Metroid series and have been dedicated fans for years. So yes, Nintendo fans have been paying attention of Samus's looks and they do care when there are unnecessary changes.

While this is a bit small, this was the image released by Nintendo Power for Super Metroid. While there have been slight tweaks to her look over the years, it's has mostly stayed the same in her proportions. There was no unnecessary sexualiztion. It was passable enough to us, the fans. But due to Other M, that is thrown out the window.

I tend to focus more on the character then the looks of a character I do disagree with sexualization of women she was sexualized before other M in smash bros brawl, this isn't something that fans should get bent out of shape about if the game sucked fine the game sucked but being angry about a fictional character becoming larger or small for that matter is net picking no gets angry when mario's size changes across his games or how ridley is HUGE compaired to how big he was orgnially, in the end samus isn't our character we don't get to pick her life but just because it's a different look doesn't mean it's bad, besdies i'm to busy noticing how badass she i could care less if she was a guy or a girl the only reason i have to care is if I am looking for a girlfriend (which I will never get) and samus can't be my girlfriend even if I wanted her to so to ME I could care less what she looks like but i understand why you would be angry but

I need thoughts on zero mission I heard it's good and i have played metroid fusion

 

[Ink Gunner Emily]

I tend to focus more on the character then the looks of a character I do disagree with sexualization of women she was sexualized before other M in smash bros brawl, this isn't something that fans should get bent out of shape about if the game sucked fine the game sucked but being angry about a fictional character becoming larger or small for that matter is net picking no gets angry when mario's size changes across his games or how ridley is HUGE compaired to how big he was orgnially, in the end samus isn't our character we don't get to pick her life but just because it's a different look doesn't mean it's bad, besdies i'm to busy noticing how badass she i could care less if she was a guy or a girl the only reason i have to care is if I am looking for a girlfriend (which I will never get) and samus can't be my girlfriend even if I wanted her to so to ME I could care less what she looks like but i understand why you would be angry but

I need thoughts on zero mission I heard it's good and i have played metroid fusion

Look, I don't think you are getting what I mean. While, yes there was some level of sexualiztion, Samus wasn't in our face with it. Other M, it's camera shots of all her sexual features everytime they can script in her losing her armor for some stupid reason. It's not just the game, Samus was portrayed in the wrong light for Other M and now it's being adopted into her character. It's unnecessary. If it as Zero Mission style Samus in a zero suit, I'd not have a problem with it.

 

[BlackZero]

Look, I don't think you are getting what I mean. While, yes there was some level of sexualiztion, Samus wasn't in our face with it. Other M, it's camera shots of all her sexual features everytime they can script in her losing her armor for some stupid reason. It's not just the game, Samus was portrayed in the wrong light for Other M and now it's being adopted into her character. It's unnecessary. If it as Zero Mission style Samus in a zero suit, I'd not have a problem with it.

I think Dolphoshi is saying that disliking a game simply because it changed the way a character looks is not a good reason to dislike a game. That's true enough. I thought Chris Redfield's design in RE5 was ridiculous. Seriously, his muscles had muscles. Despite that, the game was fun to play and I genuinely enjoyed it. I'd be overlooking a lot of good points and fun features if I panned the game based on the poor design choices of one character.

I personally didn't care for Other M, but different people have different tastes. Dolphoshi and I had two different expectations for the game and there's nothing wrong with that. Samus' design didn't bother me as much as the gameplay decisions and continuity errors. Seriously, they were breeding Metroids to be immune to cold? Someone on the dev team didn't play Metroid II. If they did, the'd know the Ice beam doesn't do **** to Metroids at the Alpha stage and beyond.. To be fair, Fusion kinda retconned this though. I blame this on the Omega Metroid being raised in captivity where the scientists may have genetically engineered it to be weak to cold so they'd have some means of stopping them if they had to.

 

[Dolphoshi]

i haven't play zero mission so i have no idea i was asking how fun it was and for opinions on the game i have heard it's like fusion (which is my second favorite) we can agree to disagree on other M

 

[BlackZero]

I like Zero Mission better than Fusion mostly for the nostalgia (I played the original Metroid, and Zero Mission is a remake of it). I also l ike how ZM tied the games into the older comics/Manga with Old Bird and that other Chozo (think his name is Grey Wing or something like that). Plus I like the classic Chozo power suit better than the Fusion suit, but that's just me. It's definitely worth playing, though Chozodia without your power suit can be annoying the first time through.

 

[Ink Gunner Emily]

I think Dolphoshi is saying that disliking a game simply because it changed the way a character looks is not a good reason to dislike a game. That's true enough. I thought Chris Redfield's design in RE5 was ridiculous. Seriously, his muscles had muscles. Despite that, the game was fun to play and I genuinely enjoyed it. I'd be overlooking a lot of good points and fun features if I panned the game based on the poor design choices of one character.

I personally didn't care for Other M, but different people have different tastes. Dolphoshi and I had two different expectations for the game and there's nothing wrong with that. Samus' design didn't bother me as much as the gameplay decisions and continuity errors. Seriously, they were breeding Metroids to be immune to cold? Someone on the dev team didn't play Metroid II. If they did, the'd know the Ice beam doesn't do **** to Metroids at the Alpha stage and beyond.. To be fair, Fusion kinda retconned this though. I blame this on the Omega Metroid being raised in captivity where the scientists may have genetically engineered it to be weak to cold so they'd have some means of stopping them if they had to.

Okay, fair enough. I'll admit my side got little outta hand. I'm just making my points.

i haven't play zero mission so i have no idea i was asking how fun it was and for opinions on the game i have heard it's like fusion (which is my second favorite) we can agree to disagree on other M

I like Zero Mission better than Fusion mostly for the nostalgia (I played the original Metroid, and Zero Mission is a remake of it). I also l ike how ZM tied the games into the older comics/Manga with Old Bird and that other Chozo (think his name is Grey Wing or something like that). Plus I like the classic Chozo power suit better than the Fusion suit, but that's just me. It's definitely worth playing, though Chozodia without your power suit can be annoying the first time through.

That's where I kinda have the middle ground. I enjoy Zero Mission and Fusion equally. Zero Mission is a remake was nice enough to add a Easy, Normal and Hard mode. Easy mode being for first time players obviously, Normal mode being for those who would know the game well enough to fair well with the AI and enemies. Hard Mode for those looking to challenge their Metroid skills and put them to the ultimate test. American Fusion never got a difficulty select for it, though Japan did. Fusion on it's own is super fun. I've played the game so much now, that I've achieved 100% on it. What I do like is the linearity Fusion has is dropped after you complete the story up to Ridley X. That allows the gamer to finish off collecting the items before the Penultimate and Final Bosses. Having 100% of all collectible items is amazing when facing SA-X. Omega Metroid wasn't a very hard Final Boss at all really. There is a little trick you can do with spamming the Ice Beam and moving out of the way if you know you are in danger. I've pulled it off before and didn't get hit once, excluding the scripted part of the fight where you are required to get hit once.