Might need to change a lot of other kits due to it (primarily Ttek and maybe NeoSploosh and Zap) but if I figure that out sure. There is a bit of anti synergy though in that once the wall is broken, you can’t immediately throw another. Though that might be a good thing
I personally disagree for two reasons; a) .52 Gal with Wall should not be any better than it is now; it’s being run often in comp play despite having an off-meta special with no synergy outside of an instant ink refill. It having a 55 damage Wave Breaker genuinely sounds like hell. Sorry. b) Triple Inkstrike is perfect on Gal, to the point where I think the argument that it should instead stay on Ttek instead is folly. Ttek is forced to stay back to use its special, while Gal can use its Splash Wall to protect itself in the special. The kit synergizes too well, and completely removes the annoying instant wall regeneration it has now.
I was going to say this is a balance issue and not a kit issue, but wall + an ink refill would be next to impossible to nerf without completely destroying all of the other wall kits. So you have a point there.
This is a good point as well. Strikes and wall really would go well together.
Think about the ranges of the two specials. v96 could use its long range main weapon to play off of the range of the strikes in a way no other weapon can right now, without even needing a wall. They would be very good at moving opponents into your line of sight. Whereas with wave breaker, it wouldn't really be able to throw it far enough to stay as far back as it likes, especially without a wall.
| base game | riibalanced | this post | |
| .52 | wall / wail | wall / wail | wall / strikes |
| .52 deco | curling / screen | curling / TSD | curling / wave |
| .96 | sprinkler / vac | sensor / zooka | sprinkler / strikes |
| vshot | suction / zooka | burst / TSD | suction / zooka |
| ttek | splat / strikes | splat / strikes | splat / TSD |
Strikes could probably work for 52 but I will have one objection I’ll get to later.
And there inlies the issue. I want to make it clear 52 and 96 are NOT getting any of the same specials. Think of it as a Rapid and Rapid Pro situation. Will probably give to 52 because enough farther back weapons have it
I like your idea for a 52 deco kit. I was hesitant on it initially due to this being the third curling wave but I’ll just give Ntri fizzy back.
Let me stop you right there. Sprinkler is a sub that is typically good when paint is a STRENGTH of a weapon and mobility is somewhat of a weakness to slightly consider. Hence why weapons like heavy, dynamo and Pencil really like it and why other weapons like tetras and S’Blast absolutely hate it. I’ll also say, if 96 can still get a decent number of krakens, at 210p WITH A WALL, then its paint is anything BUT a weakness (plus, I buffed its paint at its feet so paint is a nonissue). Sprinkler DOES work on it but honestly, I don’t like it for 96 that much. Again, not terrible, but I feel like a kit allowing utility in other ways and have a game changer of a special would make it interesting. It would be a more laid back playstyle in comparison to 96 Deco’s far more selfish playstyle.
And then shot. I’ll say it right now, I have no plans to give vshot its old kit back. Not yet anyway. Without a way to address startup a significant degree without the special feeling terrible, I’m keeping the number of zooka weapons low until I can confirm it won’t be a problem. As for Ttek, kinda stuck in limbo. Maybe I’ll give it Jet and then give Neo Sploosh chumps instead but that part is kind of a toughy.
I mostly agree with this. I feel though that a different special would be better on .96 to make it more distinct...
They're much more different than rapid and rapid pro, but they are still similar, so I see your point.
I do think it has more synergy with .52 than with .96, but no, not enough further back weapons have it. Outside of zf charger, the longest range strikes weapon is rapid blaster.
It was kind of an accident tbh, I was like "well i can just put wave on the other kit" and then "i wonder if the sub it already has would work" and then i realized it was perfect.
Heavy, dynamo, and pencil like it because they don't like using their sub weapon as much in between using the main weapon. So thy can deploy the sprinkler and let it do its thing as the main weapon does its own thing. Inkline bow likes it for the same reason, and it doesn't have nearly as good paint. Tetras, s-blast, and brella, on the other hand, need to use their sub for combat a lot more, and sprinkler does absolutely nothing to help with that. That's the problem.
I could say this (or worse) about literally every sprinkler weapon in the game. I do have an idea for giving sprinkler some
What about something like sprinkler and cooler? That would be a more laid back playstyle. You'd have to change snipewriter but that should probably be changed anyway.
This is the wrong way to go about this. Something being strong doesn't mean you should remove it until you figure out how to fix it, for a couple reasons. 1, how will you know how to fix it if it's not even in the game? 2, you have other ways of balancing the special, even temporarily. You can even give it 230p for now if you have to. and 3 (the biggest one), as this whole conversation shows, every kit that is changed impacts other kits. Changing a kit because of a balance issue that will likely be fixed later just means that when it is fixed, either we'll have to go through the whole process again and re-figure out all the kits, or more likely, it'll just be stuck with a kit that only existed to deal with a balance issue that is no longer present. This means that the other weapons that were changed will also be stuck with kits they don't want. Kits should be created assuming perfect balance; that way, as we get closer and closer to perfect balance, we don't have to keep changing the kits, and every weapon can get a kit it likes from the start.
It needs nerfs, but please be careful not to overdo it.
What happened to reworking things to make them healthier?
With the .52 kits I suggested (that you seem to agree with) I don't think it will need any more nerfs than the 1 frame nerf you already gave it. The thing that makes it too strong rn is that it can stall for much longer than it should reasonably be able to by using wail as an instant ink refill to effectively have 2 walls. (Not quite as bad as kgal, but a similar issue.) That being gone should make it feel much more fair to fight, all by itself.
I would like to disagree with this point. Splattershot as a main weapon is definitely overtuned right now. It doesn't really need more than one nerf to be in a good spot; a bit less paint, a bit worse ink consumption, or a bit worse startup/endlag... but it's too strong right now, especially for how easy it is to use compared to similarly powerful options like the Slosher.
so apparently you can directly copy and paste tables between squidboards and google docs with pretty much no formatting issues
What was the Sprinkler rework again? I can't seem to find it.
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This is interesting. Might make sense for the HP to decay over time, that way you don’t have to nerf paint-focused Sprinklers as hard.
I was admittedly half joking about it. Blue Pencil was already nerfed a lot beforehand with the first change so dw about that, Pencil should be okay as it is in Riibalanced. Shot however, I’m a little more on limbo with. Like really don’t know what to do with it. Giving it missiles instead of zooka ended up coming to mind, funnily enough. Distribution sort of came to mind when I made that decision, and I felt like Dapples had better synergy with zooka compared to shot
That would be cool but at the moment, I don’t know how to do that. I don’t think it will make a major difference though because once it hits its third firing mode, it’s practically useless. Because of the inability for the hp to decay though, 600 hp might be too much. Maybe 400 would be a good way to even it?