Yep. Pirahna Pit and Camp Triggerfish(?) were in rotation.Was that on Pirahna Pit?
No. Dear Great Zapfish, just NOO! :D. I wish there was a dynamo with a splash wall now
Couldn't agree more. I did come up against a Cherry user yesterday that was annoyingly excellent. The bubblers were annoying, primarily when they kept sharing it with their Grim (ugh!) but mostly it was the ohko aimbot shots that were annoying. Particularly as I had sploosh and kept dying head-on, when from experience, no H3 should have been able to hit me that reliably at that close with my movements as easily as they seemed to. Either this is one of the epic major top tier H3 players in Splatoon, or they were on the winning side of a lag advantage. But the thing that struck me is, obviously this is a dedicated H3 main - nobody picks up the cherry and plays it like that unless you were already an aimbot with vanilla/dolphin. And I don't think I ever saw a wall go up once.... It didn't really matter which H3 they used. The wall wasn't really part of it's success at all. My own attempt to use it featured a solid push to 1pt in tower control right out of the gates, leading the charge ahead of the tower by spamming walls and bubbles (and a 3x spc charge build) folowed by our team losing nearly all turf control and ending up losing by ko. Far from the highest k/d in the lobby, but I feel the Cherry really helped our push. But then once we were on our back heel it was almost impossible to be effective help digging out from behind with it. I feel it's a great assault weapon when the map is neutral or you are in the lead, and it's virtually useless to push back against an oppressive enemy presence without it's bubble. They can maneuver around the wall nimbly at that point. Again, vanilla's suctions are more useful for pressuring foes away than the silly wall.I still feel like they could have done much more for the H-3. They gave it a bubbler, which is okay, but I still don't think splash wall was really the right choice. It would have been great to give it burst bombs or disruptors so it can actually hit stuff, or even a buff of any kind. Splash walls just are not what it needed, it needed a way to go head-to-head. The only way you can use an H-3 like any other weapon is if you are an actual pro at aiming. On any other weapon you can miss two or three shots, but you must hit ALL of the shots with the H-3 unless you are okay with death. It just makes me sad that after all the hype is done it will return to the most underused weapon in the game, at least brushes have a few followers. It just would have been a little nice to make it better, not just slap a bubbler on and say it's good…
Absolutely. The first two definitely cater to me play with it a lot more. The cherry feels so wrong. It's not a turtling weapon in any way. It can't afford to be: It's too slow and hard to use. I'm surprised at all the praise. Sheldon states that it's a great "entry level" H3, and I think people really have missed that part of the description. It seems in every way that it was designed purely as "my first H3" to give defensive options to make people more willing to try it and less afraid of getting stuck in a bad spot, but that it's still considered less powerful than the other two. Pressing to near KO was fun, but it was unrewarding when the rest of the match left me powerless. I could use its toys to keep myself safe, but that's kind of useless when the goal should be to make opponents unsafe :)When I first used the Cherry, I immediately thought "I wish I had a Suction Bomb right now" and that's because of what I believe to be H3's intended purpose as a hunting weapon. Cherry's best uses for it's kit are just supporting your team with them. You have friends in combat? Throw a wall in front of them then swim around and flank. Everyone is in danger? Pass the Bubble. The other two H3's solution to these situations is "I'm just going to splat that guy" and in both cases, that's the end goal.
This is so true. I find the Cherry plays like the Chydra's bubbler in a lot of ways. You can bubble, but it's best used to retreat, as a direct attack is going to be difficult if they know you're aiming for them. At least hydra you can pop a bubble then charge during the bubble. Whether they stay to attack or run, and either way your full charge can probably get them without even moving from your spot - with a 3hko! H3....that's a lot harder. IMO the ONLY way to make H3 work is if they don't suspect you're shooting at them. A charger with no laser, or a sploosh that moves in lines.Cherry? You can bubble, but you still have to land those shots. Some players can just dance around you until it runs out and then you die.
Oh, you want opinions from other H3 players? I don't think either of them are online today... ;):pI'd like to hear other impressions from other players about the Cherry as well, since I'm coming from a place where most of what Cherry can do, I had found a solution to with the other two variants.
Splash Wall most certainly can help you get kills, and more importantly it let's you try to get aggressive kills/spread ink safely, thus actually better lending to the go out and murder idea. The major point that is easily forgotten though is objective pushing potential, and I'd say the Cherry has far greater capabilitys in this area compared to the other variants. Wall/Bubbler are great for taking/defending the zone, riding/stopping the tower, and defending/stopping the rainmaker. That's all it needs to be my defacto H-3!@Award - It is exactly that. The Cherry's Wall isn't as required to help H3 at all. The weapon was made to go out and murder people, and you don't do that by hiding behind a wall. The wall is a distraction or a tool to aid your team mates. It's just another tool to block approaches so you can force them to walk into a burst of doom. Anyone who gets a lot of splats with Cherry, save for bailing yourself out with Bubble, should be able to get just as many, if not more, with the Dolphin and Standard (probably even more because Suction traps and Inkzooka). In some situations, I'd argue it's better to have Inkzooka so you have a tool to take out Snipers when your team can't close in.
When I first used the Cherry, I immediately thought "I wish I had a Suction Bomb right now" and that's because of what I believe to be H3's intended purpose as a hunting weapon. Cherry's best uses for it's kit are just supporting your team with them. You have friends in combat? Throw a wall in front of them then swim around and flank. Everyone is in danger? Pass the Bubble. The other two H3's solution to these situations is "I'm just going to splat that guy" and in both cases, that's the end goal.
My current opinion on Cherry is that it is not the Penultimate H3. The others still have their uses and I think the Standard is most versatile in playing role's. The Dolphin is the most offensive oriented as your goal is tag, hunt, splat. Cherry is more of a tactical weapon, using walls to block approach options, then coordinating with nearby team mates so one of you gets the splat. The Standard is also fairly tactical, but in its case, you don't block approaches with a wall, you block them with something that will splat your foe if you can make them retreat (which you should definitely be able to do). The walls are more for stalling and making your foe work hard to close in on you to give you more time to get yourself out of bad situations, whether it's calling in back-up, Bubbling, Jumping away, or finally landing that burst (which is still very difficult).
IMO, I'd rather have my foes dead as opposed to stall for time. Cherry is good on Camp, but the Standard and Dolphin can hold the same space as well if you know what you're doing and Suction Bombs can splat your foes if they over-extend and you don't have to actually shoot them. Inkzooka can also make them completely halt their advance on it's own as not even double teaming you will help in that situation. Cherry? You can bubble, but you still have to land those shots. Some players can just dance around you until it runs out and then you die.
I'd like to hear other impressions from other players about the Cherry as well, since I'm coming from a place where most of what Cherry can do, I had found a solution to with the other two variants.
Not during "the dark hours", unfortunately ;)About the Grim Blaster, can't say what I like more: the inkling on sheldon box or the weapon itself.
I really like burst bomb with this weapon, it helps to finish opponents even when shots are not directly hit so it turns out a lot of kills in one match.
It's true that it helps push the tower. I've never found walls to be great protection in RM or zones in general though. In both modes in most maps, there's too much turf in play and too easy to just go around the wall. Rarely do walls impede my own RM runs either. When they do it's because I'm charging straight at 3 squids ahead of the goal - I was dead with or without the wall. I DO use the walls heavily with bambi, but bambi's a fast killer. I only need my wall for a second to get the shots off and then it's abandoned. H3's speed doesn't lend to that rapid blitz wall-kill-flee play. 96 is the exception to "walls are better for fast weapons" play IMO,Splash Wall most certainly can help you get kills, and more importantly it let's you try to get aggressive kills/spread ink safely, thus actually better lending to the go out and murder idea. The major point that is easily forgotten though is objective pushing potential, and I'd say the Cherry has far greater capabilitys in this area compared to the other variants. Wall/Bubbler are great for taking/defending the zone, riding/stopping the tower, and defending/stopping the rainmaker. That's all it needs to be my defacto H-3!
I might try the Heavy SPlatling again! (Also haiiiii aqua)The splatling remix is definitely my weapon of choice this release. It's deceptively passive, but if used strategically, is imo the most flexable splatling yet. No it doesn't have the immediate gratification or lethality the deco or the defense of heavy, but so far, its been my choice for balanced support and aggressive line pushing. I can use the sprinkler to make a safe perch, throw one as bait or to stop advances, or cover paths. The wail shuts down popular hiding spots, and forces teams to take alternate routes, which splatling can quickly intercept.
I may be in the minority, but the remix is a beast, and something I'll probably end up maxing out. Im gonna try the rest when I get enough cat muns, but I'm happy with my purchase.
I think this is one of Cherry's strengths, indeed. It makes leading pushes easier for an H3, but I think the other two can also do this, just not as well or consistent. I definitely see where you're coming from with pushes and that's a great point. For me, I'm able to do that with the other 2 H3's, albeit not as well or as consistent, but it can be done; but is that a matter of "the other two have uses" or am I just playing very smart.Splash Wall most certainly can help you get kills, and more importantly it let's you try to get aggressive kills/spread ink safely, thus actually better lending to the go out and murder idea. The major point that is easily forgotten though is objective pushing potential, and I'd say the Cherry has far greater capabilitys in this area compared to the other variants. Wall/Bubbler are great for taking/defending the zone, riding/stopping the tower, and defending/stopping the rainmaker. That's all it needs to be my defacto H-3!
Naw what's too easy is to shoot at those foolish enough to try the long way around and reposition yourself so that the Wall is always between you and the enemy. You really don't see how the Wall can delay foes and block shots from reaching your RM carrier? You can't blame the Wall if you don't use the Wall how it wants to be used! :LNot during "the dark hours", unfortunately ;)
It's true that it helps push the tower. I've never found walls to be great protection in RM or zones in general though. In both modes in most maps, there's too much turf in play and too easy to just go around the wall. Rarely do walls impede my own RM runs either. When they do it's because I'm charging straight at 3 squids ahead of the goal - I was dead with or without the wall. I DO use the walls heavily with bambi, but bambi's a fast killer. I only need my wall for a second to get the shots off and then it's abandoned. H3's speed doesn't lend to that rapid blitz wall-kill-flee play. 96 is the exception to "walls are better for fast weapons" play IMO,
For zones, with H3's speed, suction bombs just seem so much more helpful. It denies a huge portion of the zone to short range opponents and they MUST wait for it. And I can't tell you how many times I've claimed zones with bombs in some maps :p
"Not as well or as consistent" Aha so you admit the Cherry is superior! :pI think this is one of Cherry's strengths, indeed. It makes leading pushes easier for an H3, but I think the other two can also do this, just not as well or consistent. I definitely see where you're coming from with pushes and that's a great point. For me, I'm able to do that with the other 2 H3's, albeit not as well or as consistent, but it can be done; but is that a matter of "the other two have uses" or am I just playing very smart.
I think, depending on stage and mode, the Cherry can be the best choice of H-3, or on par with the others in terms of versatility in helping push goals. The walls, I've found at least, help me get around corners without instantly running out to die and they do help defending an area, that's true. I think it's kit has uses the other two's kits don't, and for that I think Cherry's best uses are a bit different compared to the others. You can confront people more openly with it in comparison to the other two.
I think "more user friendly H3" is an accurate term to stick to Cherry. For me, I've been so used to the other two, that I don't necessarily need Cherry's kit to accomplish what I need to get done. But like I said before, I don't know if that's me just playing smart as opposed to the kit's of the weapons being better suited to the task.
I can see where you're coming from better now, yeah. Part of my reluctance with it is yeah, I don't like Walls utility terribly much when I could do the same thing with the other kits anyway. But, that's me and I've put way too much time into these. I think it's a good kit, yeah, but for me I couldn't see myself never using the other two again.Naw what's too easy is to shoot at those foolish enough to try the long way around and reposition yourself so that the Wall is always between you and the enemy. You really don't see how the Wall can delay foes and block shots from reaching your RM carrier? You can't blame the Wall if you don't use the Wall how it wants to be used! :L
Technically the H-3 is an even faster killer, but kill speed doesn't really matter when the opponent can't hit you.
A Splash Wall can deny the entire zone (well some of them), and shooting is more effective than bombs in paint wars, yes those do happen often! Not denying suction bombs usefulness here, but we are talking kits as a whole, and Bubbler is just better than Echolocater at pushing Splatzones or any objective, and Splash Walls are certainly better than Point Sensors though they're not bad or anything. Tbh the only real advantage either of the pre-existing kits have is Inkzooka, otherwise the Cherry's kit is straight up superior, but that's all imo!
With the faster weapons - corocoro, and especially Mk1, I don't really think about these things, I just kind of "do it" - the H3 slows it down to the point I have to kind of sit there thinking about it....and that's not good. I don't really consider an H3 a faster killer than Mk1 and surely not a faster killer than the ohko roller. If it hits all 3 shots, yes, but very rarely does it hit all 3 shots unless you are at close range. And often enough lag prevents all 3 shots from hitting even if you are at close range. I see both H3 and bambi as a 2hko weapon - and bambi pulls off both shots faster. Only when I flank & rush like a sploosh from close range does the H3 become a RELIABLE ohko weapon for me.Naw what's too easy is to shoot at those foolish enough to try the long way around and reposition yourself so that the Wall is always between you and the enemy. You really don't see how the Wall can delay foes and block shots from reaching your RM carrier? You can't blame the Wall if you don't use the Wall how it wants to be used! :L
Technically the H-3 is an even faster killer, but kill speed doesn't really matter when the opponent can't hit you.
Apparently you get different rotations in zones than I do :p Every time I play zones it's either Museum (just step around the wall!), Walleye (step around the wall!), or Flounder (heh. heh.) With an unhealthy dose of Hammerhead mixed in :p Yes, yesterday I got mackerel - I wasn't using H3 there though. Whenever I get a different map for a change it's freaking Moray :pA Splash Wall can deny the entire zone (well some of them), and shooting is more effective than bombs in paint wars, yes those do happen often! Not denying suction bombs usefulness here, but we are talking kits as a whole, and Bubbler is just better than Echolocater at pushing Splatzones or any objective, and Splash Walls are certainly better than Point Sensors though they're not bad or anything. Tbh the only real advantage either of the pre-existing kits have is Inkzooka, otherwise the Cherry's kit is straight up superior, but that's all imo!
Having played with and against him, I can confirm, that thing is a serious threat in the right hands.I feel the sprinkler is an amazing sub for the splatling. Helps it cover a lot of ground, can be used as support, or a distraction. Wail's a bit of a questionable special for me, but used well it can stall the enemy team effectively.The splatling remix is definitely my weapon of choice this release. It's deceptively passive, but if used strategically, is imo the most flexable splatling yet. No it doesn't have the immediate gratification or lethality the deco or the defense of heavy, but so far, its been my choice for balanced support and aggressive line pushing. I can use the sprinkler to make a safe perch, throw one as bait or to stop advances, or cover paths. The wail shuts down popular hiding spots, and forces teams to take alternate routes, which splatling can quickly intercept.
I may be in the minority, but the remix is a beast, and something I'll probably end up maxing out. Im gonna try the rest when I get enough cat muns, but I'm happy with my purchase.
On the other hand, CHydra trades some mobility for more range, more power at full charge, the same sub, and a bubbler for a special.Having played with and against him, I can confirm, that thing is a serious threat in the right hands.I feel the sprinkler is an amazing sub for the splatling. Helps it cover a lot of ground, can be used as support, or a distraction. Wail's a bit of a questionable special for me, but used well it can stall the enemy team effectively.
If you are well versed in Heavy Splatlings, I'm sure it will become something you may come to love. I don't use them as much anymore, but I have so many ideas for how it could be used well on so many map based on the kit. I'll probably give it a go soon.On the other hand, CHydra trades some mobility for more range, more power at full charge, the same sub, and a bubbler for a special.
I can't help but think the Remix would be a lot cooler if CHydra didn't already exist. It's not that one doesn't trade things for other things, the mobility of Heavy is a big deal. But there's so much cross-over there. I do intend to give it a shake next splatfest though, as I did with Soda Slosher on Patrick.
Have you used Splash Wall.weapons before? The Slosher Deco is among my favorite weapons so that's probably why this kit really clicks with me and is what I always hoped the H-3 would get! I'm definitely exaggerating when I said I'll not use the other kits, tagging is always useful as are fast Inkzookas, but the Cherry will certainly be my main H-3!I can see where you're coming from better now, yeah. Part of my reluctance with it is yeah, I don't like Walls utility terribly much when I could do the same thing with the other kits anyway. But, that's me and I've put way too much time into these. I think it's a good kit, yeah, but for me I couldn't see myself never using the other two again.
I've been putting more time into it to get a better feel for using it and the Walls are great when I use them properly so I'm likely going through an adjustment phase there. I'm too used to being 1-v-2'ed whenever I play and my walls break real fast whenever that happens. I can agree with you that on paper, Cherry's Kit is the best of the bunch. In utility? I can probably find some uses for the other two. Thanks for the input. My H3 research continues!
Thinking about what, whether to shoot at an enemy that can't shoot you back? That's not something I need to stop and think about lol! Getting a full burst K.O., while probably not the vast majority of my kills, is still relatively common and certainly not rare, atleast for me. But again, it doesn't matter how fast you can kill when you have all the time in the world to do so.With the faster weapons - corocoro, and especially Mk1, I don't really think about these things, I just kind of "do it" - the H3 slows it down to the point I have to kind of sit there thinking about it....and that's not good. I don't really consider an H3 a faster killer than Mk1 and surely not a faster killer than the ohko roller. If it hits all 3 shots, yes, but very rarely does it hit all 3 shots unless you are at close range. And often enough lag prevents all 3 shots from hitting even if you are at close range. I see both H3 and bambi as a 2hko weapon - and bambi pulls off both shots faster. Only when I flank & rush like a sploosh from close range does the H3 become a RELIABLE ohko weapon for me.
Apparently you get different rotations in zones than I do :p Every time I play zones it's either Museum (just step around the wall!), Walleye (step around the wall!), or Flounder (heh. heh.) With an unhealthy dose of Hammerhead mixed in :p Yes, yesterday I got mackerel - I wasn't using H3 there though. Whenever I get a different map for a change it's freaking Moray :p
Generally I'm not actually a huge echo fan. The bombs are so useful I think of echo as a "refill tank special" but I'll give you that one. Point sensors can be useful, as can echo, for H3 specifically because it draws that direct line right to your target! I'll concede though that some of my problem with the wall on Cherry H3 is similar to my problem with wall on Bento. It just feels like the wall isn't the right compliment for otherwise ungainly weapons that ideally take shots from off-angles rather than head-on. But given the praise bento has received from some some people do prefer to play them that way.
Overall, this still isn't what H3 needed. It's still a rare niche and really needed that buff.
@Shun_one 1v2? Pfft, you need to get with my teams. 1v3 or bust!