What Do You Want to See From Splatoon 2?

[Flareth]

Surely it's not that much more powerful, but failing to the point of not being able to tell if a game is a sequel or not is a little too laughable of a performance.

Woah now, I wasn't holding my initial confusion against the game. I mean, it was obvious from the initial footage that they were doing something different; that it could be interpreted as either a sequel or enhanced port was largely irrelevant in light of the fact that it clearly was, well, a new game. Once the trailer hit and they called it Splatoon 2, that was that. If anyone is still in the dark about the matter, that's on them.

Of course, you could argue about whether or not it should've been called a sequel to begin with, but that's another matter entirely.

You must hate so many games then, since marginal visual differences across franchises is such a common thing these days. There's really no point in attempting to discuss this with you.

Granted, that's as much of an issue there as it is here. At least CoD and FIFA have the benefit of what I'd call "Market Assumption" (that is, those franchises are now expected to pump a new game out every year) to hide behind. Would that more variation between games became the industry standard; alas, ðem's the breaks when 'tis what it is.

I'd still say that the sudden release date is responsible for Splatoon 2's not-overly-different graphics. And it isn't even that bad, honestly. Everything they've shown so far—the new Inkling hairdos, the Splat Dualies and reskinned main weapons, the complete overhaul of the specials, the new story and Salmon run, the new hub area—most if not all of it goes to sell the game as a true sequel.

#freethekraken

 

[Ulk]

You must hate so many games then, since marginal visual differences across franchises is such a common thing these days. There's really no point in attempting to discuss this with you.

Personally when I heard of a sequel, the last thing I wasted a thought on was graphics. If graphics were a huge factor in my preferences, I can assure you I wouldn't waste my time with the one company that utterly fails to meet graphic standards generation after generation.

Surely I wouldn't attempt joining discussions either if apparently reading was a challenge.

Woah now, I wasn't holding my initial confusion against the game. I mean, it was obvious from the initial footage that they were doing something different; that it could be interpreted as either a sequel or enhanced port was largely irrelevant in light of the fact that it clearly was, well, a new game. Once the trailer hit and they called it Splatoon 2, that was that. If anyone is still in the dark about the matter, that's on them.

Of course, you could argue about whether or not it should've been called a sequel to begin with, but that's another matter entirely.

I'm exclusively speaking of visuals, not content. Obviously Splatoon 2 improved heavily in many aspects compared to Splatoon 1. Nobody argues that. Graphics however is not one of those aspects. To make it a little more specific, just imagine someone who doesn't even know the name of the franchise, much less anything about it that watches side by side footage of a turf war of both games. Do you believe that person would be immediately able to tell which one is supposed to be the sequel? Not by observing anything content-related such as the higher variety in hair styles of course. Purely visually by only observing the graphics.

 

[Dessgeega]

Intensely dour, never satisfied, AND rude? Boy, you're just the full package aren't ya?

I guess my question evolves into this then. If graphics are the "last thing you wasted a thought on" and not a huge factor in your preferences, why do you care this much to the point of writing paragraph after paragraph about this supposed cardinal sin? Looking over your post history, are you ever happy and content with ANYTHING?

To make it a little more specific, just imagine someone who doesn't even know the name of the franchise, much less anything about it that watches side by side footage of a turf war of both games. Do you believe that person would be immediately able to tell which one is supposed to be the sequel? Not by observing anything content-related such as the higher variety in hair styles of course. Purely visually by only observing the graphics.

Going by most people these days, they'd either bash the graphics for being "too cartoony" or "not realistic enough", or they wouldn't care. You know, the exact same reactions the first Splatoon got. Again, why do you care?

Sheesh. People who focus on graphics to this absurd degree, even in your twisted manner, are a factor in why the games industry is in such a sorry state.

 

[Coricus]

Intensely dour, never satisfied, AND rude? Boy, you're just the full package aren't ya?

I guess my question evolves into this then. If graphics are the "last thing you wasted a thought on" and not a huge factor in your preferences, why do you care this much to the point of writing paragraph after paragraph about this supposed cardinal sin? Looking over your post history, are you ever happy and content with ANYTHING?


Going by most people these days, they'd either bash the graphics for being "too cartoony" or "not realistic enough", or they wouldn't care. You know, the exact same reactions the first Splatoon got. Again, why do you care?

Sheesh. People who focus on graphics to this absurd degree, even in your twisted manner, are a factor in why the games industry is in such a sorry state.

They already said they aren't planning on buying Amiibo and they still feel the need to be critical of Amiibo content anyway.

I'm guessing they figure it's appropriate to provide constructive criticism on Splatoon 2 even when it doesn't matter to them personally, although considering their particular take on it I could definitely see some room for them to be a bit less doom and gloom in their handling of it.

Or maybe I'm just annoyingly cheerful when it comes to these topics, who knows.

You gotta be upbeat, upbeat, upbeat
Or you'll be dead meat, dead meat, dead meat

 

[Dessgeega]

They already said they aren't planning on buying Amiibo and they still feel the need to be critical of Amiibo content anyway.

I'm guessing they figure it's appropriate to provide constructive criticism on Splatoon 2 even when it doesn't matter to them personally, although considering their particular take on it I could definitely see some room for them to be a bit less doom and gloom in their handling of it.

Or maybe I'm just annoyingly cheerful when it comes to these topics, who knows.

You gotta be upbeat, upbeat, upbeat
Or you'll be dead meat, dead meat, dead meat

Good points. Nah, I think you've got a pretty good viewpoint. Ulk, I apologize for losing my cool, but lighten up will ya? :P

 

[Ulk]

Intensely dour, never satisfied, AND rude? Boy, you're just the full package aren't ya?

I guess my question evolves into this then. If graphics are the "last thing you wasted a thought on" and not a huge factor in your preferences, why do you care this much to the point of writing paragraph after paragraph about this supposed cardinal sin? Looking over your post history, are you ever happy and content with ANYTHING?


Going by most people these days, they'd either bash the graphics for being "too cartoony" or "not realistic enough", or they wouldn't care. You know, the exact same reactions the first Splatoon got. Again, why do you care?

Sheesh. People who focus on graphics to this absurd degree, even in your twisted manner, are a factor in why the games industry is in such a sorry state.

As much as I enjoy your occasional emotional outbursts, let's put that aside for a moment and focus on what part of your questions could have been answered with simply actually reading the "paragraphs", as you like to call them.

Our personal views mean nothing there. It's not about what I or what you subjectively and personally hoped for or expected.

It's about the objective standard of a sequel showing little to no improvement in a category compared to its predecessor. And that is a textbook flaw. Now I know the topic is about things we personally hope for. But as I said, with regard to my subjective perspective, I already got all I wanted. From an objective perspective, there are flaws left.

Keyword objective. You need to let go of that habit of being stubborny unwilling to let go of the idea of your personal preferences and view having any form of value, as well as your frankly ghastly tendency of defending the things you like simply because you like them. An objective flaw is an objective flaw - Whether you like it or not and whether it bothers you or not. Me being able to criticize those flaws despite them not having much of an impact on my experience is a result of my objectivety. Because whether I like or not or whether it bothers me or not, a flaw is a flaw. Now you defending that with your personal opinion about it, as well as your very emotional reaction to criticism towards things you like, that's far more likely to be the result of straight out bias.
As for "paragraphs", it's also amusing to see, and perhaps also another situation where the key word "bias" fits into, how you fail to acknowledge that each of my "paragraphs" are replies to other posts with equal content merely responding to just one short sentence that came from me.

Graphical performance and graphical style are... quite different things to say the least. And again, proper reading could have perhaps also saved you these two sentences by merely reading the following.

Art style is not an excuse for a lack of improvement and does in no way hinder improvement either. You can very well maintain an art style and drastically improve graphical performances.

For the future, perhaps it's better for you to remember that, if you want a safe space where there is no such thing as criticism towards things you like, the Fantendo community would probably welcome you with wider arms. This isn't a place for your aggressions and this isn't the Splatoon Circle Jerk fan club. And I'm not the first person I've seen you leave your aggressions out on because of criticism. You were previously warned for that as far as I know. The mere fact that you speak of "pessimism" and "optimism" proves your lack of objectivety, and a discussion forum is not a right place for that. If you really can't stand objective crticism, maybe you should for once actually "put me on your ignore list", which you've announced to supposedly have done twice now, yet continue your obsession to read and reply to pretty much all my comments.

 

[Coricus]

As much as I enjoy your occasional emotional outbursts, let's put that aside for a moment and focus on what part of your questions could have been answered with simply actually reading the "paragraphs", as you like to call them.




Keyword objective. You need to let go of that habit of being stubborny unwilling to let go of the idea of your personal preferences and view having any form of value, as well as your frankly ghastly tendency of defending the things you like simply because you like them. An objective flaw is an objective flaw - Whether you like it or not and whether it bothers you or not. Me being to criticize those flaws despite them not having much of an impact on my experience is a result of my objectivety. Because whether I like or not or whether it bothers me or not, a flaw is a flaw. Now you defending that with your personal opinion about it, as well as your very emotional reaction to criticism towards things you like, that's far more likely to be the result of straight out bias.
As for "paragraphs", it's also amusing to see, and perhaps also another situation where the key word "bias" fits into, how you fail to acknowledge that each of my "paragraphs" are replies to other posts with equal content merely responding to just one short sentence that came from me.

Graphical performance and graphical style are... quite different things to say the least. And again, proper reading could have perhaps also saved you these two sentences by merely reading the following.


For the future, perhaps it's better for you to remember that, if you want a safe space where there is no such thing as criticism towards things you like, the Fantendo community would probably welcome you with wider arms. This isn't a place for your aggressions and this isn't the Splatoon Circle Jerk fan club. The mere fact that you speak of "pessimism" and "optimism" proves your lack of objectivety, and a discussion forum is not a right place for that. If you really can't stand objective crticism, maybe you should for once actually "put me on your ignore list", which you've announced to supposedly have done twice now, yet continue your obsession to read and reply to pretty much all my comments.

Your criticism may be based in objectivity, but the tone that you use to voice it tends to give the impression of being rather. . .unapproachable, I think the right word would be? Perhaps smug would be the better way to put this particular post.

Your points may be objective, but the tone you use to voice them has a rather strong scent of subjectivity and it drags otherwise valid comments down to the Hadal Zone with it. It's not that your observations are wrong, it's that you're wording them in a way that gives the impression of your being irrationally bitter about topics that in reality you hold no actual emotional investment in.

It would be rather easy to find several ways to word the exact same points you have made in your previous posts in ways that would be more conducive to conversation and less likely to cause a "fanboy defense force" or what have you. The issue is not what's being said, it's how it's being said. Your tone is such that it's rather difficult to even gather what you're trying to get at half the time through your desire to appear as sufficiently critical.

We are on a forum dedicated to a game about commercialism obsessed colorful little teenage squids that are obsessed with sports and pop music. Perhaps there's a general expectation that those participating would act more in line with the general mood that comes with that and less in line with an indie film critic that moonlights as a cheese taster.

 

[ZEROrevive]

...I'm just going to make an attempt to swing things back on track, in terms of the main topic at hand (Plus I didn't realize that I actually hadn't made my own dedicated post towards this yet).

Some of these have been covered by other people already, but I will list them Regardless:

• Custom picked default Ink color to apear in other players Inkopolis Square as (Have your inkling avatar apear as a blue inkling, or green, ect.). Adds a extra layer of personal touch.
• Save loadouts for Weapons and Gear. Categorize them by name, type, and custom categories.
• Additional Hairstyles in future free updates.
• More Pants options (Didn't seem like there was many?) in future free updates.
  
• More in deph info on players you encounter in your Inkopolis Square. Aside from basic info such as Rank, level and Gear, you could also have a custom greeting the inkling says when interacted with, Preferred weapons, Most used weapons, amount of turf inked, ect. This idea comes especially from what Monster Hunter already does with Guild Cards.
• A personal apartment in Inkopolis Square that you can customize with things you may aquire over the course of gameplay, and have other players visit and see. Not much point to it, likely something to be forgotten. But could be a fun little thing.
  
• More minigames to play when waiting in the lobby for a match to start.
• Custom sound volume options.

...I think that covers everything I can think of.

 

[Ulk]

Your criticism may be based in objectivity, but the tone that you use to voice it tends to give the impression of being rather. . .unapproachable, I think the right word would be? Perhaps smug would be the better way to put this particular post.

Your points may be objective, but the tone you use to voice them has a rather strong scent of subjectivity and it drags otherwise valid comments down to the Hadal Zone with it. It's not that your observations are wrong, it's that you're wording them in a way that gives the impression of your being irrationally bitter about topics that in reality you hold no actual emotional investment in.

It would be rather easy to find several ways to word the exact same points you have made in your previous posts in ways that would be more conducive to conversation and less likely to cause a "fanboy defense force" or what have you. The issue is not what's being said, it's how it's being said. Your tone is such that it's rather difficult to even gather what you're trying to get at half the time through your desire to appear as sufficiently critical.

We are on a forum dedicated to a game about commercialism obsessed colorful little teenage squids that are obsessed with sports and pop music. Perhaps there's a general expectation that those participating would act more in line with the general mood that comes with that and less in line with an indie film critic that moonlights as a cheese taster.

There is no such thing as a "subjective scent" to how you write. Only to what you write. If your understanding of the validity of a comment fails due to believing the tone is "smugly", that is your bias, not mine. The general idea of attempting to interpret emotions of objective criticism shows a purely subjective approach, don't you think?

I don't see the need to word myself differently to not upset the "fanboy defense force". I don't dignify these people to that degree. If objective criticism towards something they like upsets them, that's hardly my problem, is it?

This is first and foremost a discussion forum. You can be in a great and colorful mood. That's more than just lovely. The moment that "mood" turns into blind fanboyism causing emotional outbursts against any form of criticism however is the moment you're in the wrong forum. If one's mood cannot be controlled to the point where one can stay objective, it doesn't belong here. This isn't a safe space.

And this is as much as I'm willing to derail from this topic for this purely personal matter.

 

[Flareth]

Keeping in mind that it needn't be a terrible thing to have a strong opinion,

Do you believe that person would be immediately able to tell which one is supposed to be the sequel? Not by observing anything content-related such as the higher variety in hair styles of course. Purely visually by only observing the graphics.

I dunno, but... a quick look suggests that you may be on to something.

Still, that's a bit of an unfair test, don't you think? Graphics *****s do exist, but I kinda doubt they're the type of people who'd bother to give Splatoon a fair shake in the first place.
And I brought up everything else because, honestly, I feel those are what'll draw people in.

Anyway, I saw ink mentioned, and that reminded me: I'd like some actual red ink, please. Not that Pepto-Bismol bullshit we got in the Splatfests, but an actual red color. The game already turns into a literal bloodbath biologically when there's blue ink on the field, might as well go the whole hog.

 

[Coricus]

Keeping in mind that it needn't be a terrible thing to have a strong opinion,



I dunno, but... a quick look suggests that you may be on to something.

Still, that's a bit of an unfair test, don't you think? Graphics *****s do exist, but I kinda doubt they're the type of people who'd bother to give Splatoon a fair shake in the first place.
And I brought up everything else because, honestly, I feel those are what'll draw people in.

Anyway, I saw ink mentioned, and that reminded me: I'd like some actual red ink, please. Not that Pepto-Bismol bullshit we got in the Splatfests, but an actual red color. The game already turns into a literal bloodbath biologically when there's blue ink on the field, might as well go the whole hog.

As long as it doesn't look like human blood, the ESRB can't bump the rating up~

*What Measure Is A Non-Human intensifies*

Actually, I have to wonder. . .do Inklings even have blood? Normal cephalopod blood is blue, but the inside of the mouth is normally tinted by blood color in humans while in Inklings it's the same color as whatever their ink happens to be at the moment.

 

[Ulk]

Keeping in mind that it needn't be a terrible thing to have a strong opinion,



I dunno, but... a quick look suggests that you may be on to something.

Still, that's a bit of an unfair test, don't you think? Graphics *****s do exist, but I kinda doubt they're the type of people who'd bother to give Splatoon a fair shake in the first place.
And I brought up everything else because, honestly, I feel those are what'll draw people in.

Oh no, I wasn't literally talking about these kinds of people. This was just an example to more specifically explain that I'm exclusively talking about not being able to tell it's a sequel graphics-wise. I was trying to find an example that would leave out anything unrelated to graphics.

 

[Krak Rex]

Given the stiffness of tentacles. A short hair cut like that would result in guile hair.

Pure bald would be unsettling. Like stumps of an amputated series of limbs.

I got my wish!

 

[suavevillain]

A new ranked mode to play.
Jet Set Radio Crossover gear or music by the composer.
More Music than part 1 had in game.

 

[Ceresbane]

A new ranked mode to play.
Jet Set Radio Crossover gear or music by the composer.
More Music than part 1 had in game.

I demand sauce.
How that got under my radar is beyond me.

 

[derty]

u no I also hope to see this forum blow up with clan activity :)
I can already see it becoming more active but after release I would like to see clans going to war and talkin smack haha
just gonna make this game that much better

 

[karl childers]

I'd like to see a ranked version of Turf Wars. I was thinking they could do a timer-based version similar to Splat Zones. Countdown begins when a team has more than 50% of map covered. It would also end the controversy of having Turf Wars in tournaments.

 

[karl childers]

I'd also like to see an option to turn on the splatfest night renditions of stages - maybe as a bonus feature for buying amiibos.

 

[SuicuneEmperor]

So Splatoon 2 is coming out this summer and I wanted to see what the community wants out of this ink-filled sequel to a third-person paintball shooter.

What I want to See:
1. Ability to create your own gear and weapons (so creating your own brand) for a fee.
2. Ability to change your gear during the time where the game is getting people ready. Similar to private battles where it gives you 60 seconds to ready up.
3. Old gear to come back into the shops.
4. More multiplayer modes like Salmon Run.

What the Community Wants:
1. Ability to sort items (weapons, clothing, etc.)
2. Playable Octolings.
3. New Styled Hats (like a Cowboy hat)
4. New modes should get long-lasting support .
5. Ability to change weapon while waiting for a match.
6. More dial-pad commands.
7. All Splatoon 1 weapon classes to return with tweaks.
8. Unisex hairstyles.
9. Ability to customize ink color in settings.
10. Day/Night cycle.
11. Inkling voice tones.
12. Hero mode to be longer.
13. Hammerhead Bridge should return as a new style or as the same before.
14. Get rid of stage rotation; automatically join a random map. (quickplay basically)
15. New weapon classes.
16. Ability to match up with friends and random players in Salmon Run / other new modes.
17. Custom map editor.
18. New ink colors.
19. Ability to play Octolings in story mode to see their view of the world.
20. Splatfest to return (Spill Note: But Callie is gone so what if players don't complete story mode? Wouldn't it not make sense?)
21. Rotation mode to have three stages.
22. Choose color of gear.
23. For certain sub weapons to not come back.
24. Replay-ability of old levels, like hero mode levels!

25. For a main weapon class to be an Ink Go-kart!