Your thread got lucky (or unlucky) and caught the attention of most of us big windbags here ;) Once me, @Zombie Aladdin and @Hawk Seow join in, the conversation tends to get lengthy! :D
The latter two are common enough. But the first. Why would they intentionally sabotage their eliter to make you leave the lobby?
Yes, that's what I love about carbon. I do love its fast, aggressive gameplay too. :) But I love how it can kind of be anywhere, fast, and fill in where it's needed, but can ALSO press the attack too. It's fun in Kelp dome for example when I can either wait up and join my team to storm mid together (sometimes, there's a lot of waiting for some teams...) OR I can hold the tower alone, OR I can try to sieze the mid-tower alone, lurking to the side planning the attack. It's so versatile for all kinds of situations (even if I've been trading a lot this week in Mackerel... )
You know I've seen some rounds where a player DC's but is back in the next round. I mean a true 0p score indicating disconnect but they're in every single round. And like ZA said, they'd be disconnected after 60s idle. So how are they still in the next round at all?
I'm not too familiar with splat rollers and krak-ons from a player perspective since I gravitated toward carbon for it's more aggressive, very mobile combat abilities, but there's a few advantages to rolling rather than flinging for turf coverage coming from a carbon perspective and also a charger perspective.
Partiers...I used to hate them, and I hate the ones that start the match of with it. But I've started seeing more, mostly Japanese, players that will switch to party mode rather than holding a spawncamp to the end when it's clear they've won. It's a mutual, even if partial, cease fire of sorts. I enjoy these matches since it removes the jerkiness of domination players. Japanese seem to take TW a lot less seriously and have a lot more fun with it, despite generally having an extremely high skill level.
True that strategy in the pure sense would come mostly in squads & clans, but I'd also include developing a particular formula for a particular map/weapon, ANYTHING involving Recon, and overall pre-planned specials us as strategy more than tactics. They're premeditated planning detached from situational reactions.
I agree TW the most for the same reasons. I just wish it had a ranked variant. I enjoy the ranked modes and am looking forward to jumping back into them, but CTF & King of the Hill feel shoehorned into the game to "be like other games" - fun, but not unique, and kind of tired. TW (and splat zones) are pretty unique. My only problem with TW is, with Randoms the situation where you can get the kids that have no clue how to even play, and an S+ semi-pro Jr user with max speed and spc charge who storms your base constantly can kill the fun. At least in ranked, bad as the teams are, there's SOME separation of skill levels. But I like the TW mode most.
Never understood how people hand their kids their phone and expect everything to still be set properly when they get it back...
I didn't notice them before because I never really used chargers in the past. I only started learning them in the last two weeks or so and I recall the one doing it to me was on Ancho-V games. It was annoying. Anyway, don't just take my word for it, have some links :D
Carbon is strong but requires a team that's conscientious about inking turf in the first place, the more thorough the inking, the more angles you can approach from and hide in.
If you use it often there comes a point where tracing the line is almost second nature, but sometimes you can also identify who's the reliable sniper/hydra type who tends to perch in safe places and always be ready to tap their icon. The other thing I want to mention is...RECON! If you've never used Recon to SJ to an ally, you ought to try it, literally lets you know which ally is clear (or in need of your help if you can bring it). Seriously, Recon is underused IMO, especially in TW. I understand it's not used much in ranked since everyone is pretty much jostling near the objective, although that's also why I love to go a big round and get them from behind with certain weapons (L-3D being one of them).
For me, I give a booyah right at the start when playing with a friend, it's just a friendly acknowledgement. Other booyahs in game are all for good things like a team mate who assisted in a kill, when I SJ to a team mate's beakon or any nice thing really.
It's possible they got disconnected but they're actually in that lobby because a friend is in there so upon DC they joined the lobby again and thus made it in right in the next match.
Rolling's biggest advantages are like you said, smoothly inked surfaces and they're a bit stealthier. Flicking ink is audibly louder and also visually more obvious. For Carbon you're right, rolling makes you a bit harder to hit with some weapons because of it's rolling speed. A Dynamo has no business rolling for the most part, except when it just wants to cover very small bits of turf in important locations.
I still hate them TBH, as in, the ones who keep trying to party despite the fact that no one else showed any interest. Sometimes I do see an enemy squid joining the one team mate of mine to squat in one corner and be pacifists, I leave those alone. I just hate it when whoever's playing is causing a team imbalance by not fulfilling the objective willfully.
Actually, tactics are the little plans you have and execute in any given situation. Let's say I spot a sniper on a perch, I can choose from several tactics like purposely drawing his attention or chasing him off if I have the right sub for it. Each of this is kind of like a tactic. Strategy for me would be more apt when trying to lead a squad through a tournament and is more 'meta' if you get what I mean. Things like not showing all your tactics in game in the earlier stages of the tournament (to not reveal all your skills and tactics to opponents you might face later).
The randomness of TW is both the fun and annoying aspect of it. If I get one weak link, I try my best to pull his weight and carry. I'm most concerned about earning the victory for our team and in the times I pull it off, my gosh it's an amazing feeling. You know it when you see your team had that one squid who did nothing but die (200p and 0-7 K/D is a good example). I feel people enjoy ranked for various reasons, it's more stressful, chaotic, allows more kills in general and there's a rank to climb up to.
Ok let me hit you with a truth (burst) bomb. If you really deserve the rank, you'll get to it easily. The highest I've reached was S55 or so but then as I tried other weapons I dropped back into A+. Then I decided to DGAF and try my H-3 in there which brought me to my current A-96. I could easily get back to S using the L-3d but I'd rather slowly hone my skills in ranked with lousier weapons so that my own personal skills grow along. There's no hurry for me to be S+99 and I can safely say I play better than a lot of current S ranked players (I constantly win them in TW). Sure, I know about the lower ranked hells where you can't progress reliably because your other members are idiots, if that's the case, either leave or play on and hope they end up on the other side :P
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That's just plain weird, that second post. Why would they disrupt their own sniper? Why would they force them to leave the lobby? And why would they post a solution to a thread about people not being good at countering chargers by saying that chargers are always ineffective? That's a pretty weird thread (though, it's gamefaqs, so it goes with the territory...
) That's the first Splatoon thread I've seen that generally seems to assume chargers are useless weapons. o_OYeah I wouldn't stay around long, that's a GREAT way to get all your snipers and half a team wiped if someone whips out an inkzooka, wail, strike, or suction bomb. ;)
Fairly true, though I play every weapon with the assumption my team will drop the ball and I must go it alone. I generally make my own turf to lurk in if the team has not and just focus on defense more than offense if I had to spend the time to do so.
You REALLY like recon, don't you? :p I think the 2 reasons it's not used are: If I use a beacon based weapon I don't need to know which teammates are safe to jump to. If I play most weapons my goal is to not get splatted enough to NEED to know which teammates are safe to jump to - I should be the teammate that's safe to jump to anyway! if things go bad enough that I'm not, do I want one of my main slots spent on something that makes it easier to get back to the action, or something that makes it easier to dig out of that hole? With only 3 main slots, it's hard to pick something that's only good when you're on spawn, and works optimally if the match is going badly. And finally, like you said, it's not good in ranked, and most people play TW to perfect their ranked builds and techniques, so nobody wants to wear TW-only clothing if it isn't going to help them in ranked. I've done the same. Ninja Squid is great for Carbon: But it's useless in SZ since I'll be in the open fighting like a madman most of the time, I'd rather spend snails getting slots on gear I'm able to use in every mode. Ink recover, or ink sub, or bomb range, or str up seem so much more versatile.
Ahh, maybe!
That makes sense, applying dynamo technique. That doesn't work on carbon, since there's a gap between you and where the roller sets down to roll after a jump-flick. You end up squidding on pavement and leaving a dotted ink trail :) The dive-flingers can be hard to counter with a charger, though the slow windup of a krak-on or dynamo makes them hittable while they swing.
The ones I hate are the ones that squid party, so I leave them alone and play, but then they shoot you whenever you get near. Either fight or party, you can't do both. Extra hatred for the group that RACED to my base in Triggerfish in under 20 seconds through the gates to party with their friend on our team. Killed the rest of my team, and continued partying below our spawn, stopping to kill us when we left spawn unless we went all the way around the semicircle and out the wall to the bridge.
I'll reply to the rest later, but I wanted to ask: How the heck does that splatnet ranking work? It's just a sort of meaningless numeric score without real context. What's a good number, what's a bad number? It's not a real "rank" system unless you're comparing friend lists, I would think.
Yes that's roughly the smallest area you can hide in and it was intentional. You don't think the developers made the map with ledges of that exact thickness by accident now do you? Also, I tested in the firing range, if the ink patch isn't big enough for you to hide in, if you keep swimming around in it, you'll actually spread the ink out little by little which ends up in you being able to hide in it, give it a try :D
They can fix it, it's just that they know about it and don't see it as being an issue. I've already explained the various ways of countering it (recon is probably the best IMO, it gives you sooooo much information provided you have competent team mates).
Sorry! Not sure if you saw my edit but I added in what I wanted to say earlier today. Please check it out :DCool story.
No, it's playstyle dependent. I have played games where I'm just going on a faceroll killing spree (L-3D FTW) and only look at the map in the occasion that I died and am respawning. Then there are times where I actively check the map because the enemy has beakons in their loadouts (seriously, please check the map when they have it) or to aim my inkstrikes or stuff.
I don't think the squids in mid are fighting all the time. The good ones will be pushing and retreating bit by bit. Once again, use recon to see what actually happens on the map the whole time and you'll be surprised :)
Once again, playstyle. I've played carbon with ninja squid + 2 swim speed up mains. I become the shark without a fin but just as deadly :D Of course, getting echolocated is the biggest problem, during those times I'll actually brazenly go out and bait them to chase me while I lead them to unfavourable positions. It doesn't always work, but my point is, lots of loadouts are viable, just need to spend some time getting creative.
Well that's kinda true about inkbrushes vs Blasters, Range Blasters and Rapid Blaster Pro (and their variants) but it's definitely suicidal when facing gals or splatlings, basically shooters. Inkbrushes work better when coming from behind and slapping you silly.
It's not about fighting in the open. Most weapons give you a little warning because their ink takes time to travel and hit you. A charger with absolutely no laser is basically letting you die without warning at all (which can be pretty stupid because of their range and OHKO property) and it also allows other nearby squids to locate the sniper. The other thing is, it also has an intimidation factor (which is a plus point). Carbons don't have it because although they only take 12f to swing and kill, they don't exactly command the range of any charger. Having to swim up or wait for the opponent to get near before earning the OHKO is considered losing control.
Yeah, I only do the QR/Comeback stack for running aggro in TC :) And, yes, they do seem to pretend to stay in the same place, or you see them walk away and go ink something, but when you respawn they've moved to camping somewhere else. I believe they are waiting for your respawn, and with their run speed stack, it gives them enough time to re-camp before you can leave the spawn area enough to see them (remember they're not at your spawn, they're at the exits from it. )
I addressed this in another reply but just one word...RECON! :PI can't speak for them. For me, I look at my map, but almost never, ever choose to SJ. Rarely is there a safe squid, and on the occasions where there seems to be, they get jumped right while I'm jumping. SJ is simply rarely a good idea for me, though in part that's because my role usually IS as the safe SJ positioned squid - everybody can't be the one in good positions. As for my teams: If we're spawncamped and I break away, rarely do they jump to me, they just keep fighting at the spawn. In normal play I have some teams that will jump to me properly, some that will not. But in all matches 60% of the time someone jumps to me, it's when I'm standing immediately next to spawn.
Maybe you were just tired when you missed those shots. It happened to me once in a while too when I played for overly long sessions with the chargers :(
Well, like I noted on page 1. Good rollers most likely to be carbon/dynamo. Splat rollers are either good or newbies who got told that it's a great starter weapon. Krak-ons tend to be good at using kraken with the occasional beakon tactician.
That's the thing though, I won't say recon is useful on every weapon/loadout. It also depends on your team, having played C-Eliter for a while, I realized the inking is abysmal (like you implied in one of our discussions) and thus your job almost becomes entirely to place beakons fantastically and snipe like William Tell. Recon would be more useful for Krak-On where it's more likely to earn that special more than twice in 3 minutes and have the beakons to jump to and activate.
I don't really care much about my sub slots for recon. I even went in with three question marks today using an RG. Won 90% of my games with top score and almost always top K/D. Turf Wars BTW. Ranked would probably be a different story :P
There definitely are 'wrong' weapons in particular situations though. Especially the obviously more specialized weapons. Eg. 4x Custom E-Liters are probably not going to do well vs a balanced team. It simply doesn't work that way. I don't want to get too far into the specifics but you ought to realize why weapons like the gals and Tentateks are so ubiquitous, in a game that emphasizes team work and has random matchmaking, versatility is almost always king because you almost always have an option for the situation at hand. The specialized weapons only have certain options when their team mates support them enough to let them have that option in the first place.
Moray (TW) is definitely a map built for E-Liters, not so much for a full team of E-Liters but rather, the E-Liters strengths are utilized the most there. Considering C/E-Liter scope has the longest range in the game, you can bet the maps are designed around them. Being able to reach from one ledge to the other isn't by accident, it's by design.
Hmm, I can't remember exactly but the English version does tell you how they calculate the points. Well, even the ranks you get from ranked mode don't tell the full story. I know I've managed to climb pretty quickly by exploiting certain modes with certain weapons and you've observed it yourself, some S ranks play like As or Bs. It's all just a letter and numbers but some people get fixated on it because this game has no achievements or trophies. It's a very shallow way of gauging personal skill. It does act as a tangible goal though, which I know is what some people view it as.
I feel like you're practising confirmation bias haha. Besides, the answers to your questions are pretty much in both those threads. Not saying there aren't incompetent players (although they might just be amazing at pretending to be noobs whilst bodyblocking you :p) but the point is that others have noticed some people deliberately griefing by bodyblocking.That's just plain weird, that second post. Why would they disrupt their own sniper? Why would they force them to leave the lobby? And why would they post a solution to a thread about people not being good at countering chargers by saying that chargers are always ineffective? That's a pretty weird thread (though, it's gamefaqs, so it goes with the territory...
The first thread though is more like I was saying - I think most of those players, and especially the dreaded sloshers are just plain incompetent, not bodyblocking. :)
Come on, we both know VHydra and CEliter are absolutely terrible at turfing and whilst we do assume we have to go it alone when playing with randoms, the fact is it's disadvantageous. Carbon is ok at turfing but time spent turfing as carbon is time not spent sending enemies back to the spawn point :p
I'll be a **** here and assume recon isn't used as much because most people aren't creative or spend time thinking of strategies. One thing I want to mention is that, not every weapon requires usage of all 3 main slots. For example, the sloshing machine only needs 1x damage up sub to 2HKO 3x defense up (1x critical + 1x vortex) and weapons like the Jet Squelcher don't really gain anything from damage up except for the potential to do 99.9 damage with 3 hits. Otherwise it's pretty much designed to be a 4HKO weapon all the time.
Yea it's not really practical for carbons, which is why I made that special paragraph for regular rollers. That technique benefits them the most. (I went to look for a more efficient method because I refused to believe that carbons and dynamos would both totally supersede regular rollers in terms of turfing ability and I was right in a sense, Nintendo generally knows what they're doing here).
Imagine all the swear words I could type here. That's my reply :p
Your rank this week: 7-J-23!
They really donj't provide much context, it's more of a "score" than a rank. I still don't get it. I can see them having grudges against chargers because they're tired of losing to them and being just salty about it....but the assumption that chargers are useless, therefore they spend the whole match disrupting them....is just weird and incomprehensible.
LOL, I just checked splatnet (first time logging in pretty much ever) and found my most turfed weapon is carbon! This shocked me. My #2? CEliter Scope. This shocked me much more! I'm #3 or #4 most rounds in ink, but apparently I still ink alot. CHydra hasn't made top 10 yet :p And I play Aerospray on fest days! The worst turfer in the game is my #2 turfer.
Nah, I don't damage stack the carbon. it's about speed and ink. Sometimes I use dmg for the burst bombs though. Bomb range is a staple though!
Eww, RG - MG for lief! ;)
LOL!
A ladder system would be more fun in general I think, like every 3 months the ranks get reset so people have to play again. Right now I know some people reach S 30 (the default number when you hit S) and stop playing because they dare not rank down again. I wouldn't describe it as 'broken' but yea part of the reason I dislike rank is how you'll see particular weapons appear based on maps and modes.Your rank this week: 7-J-23!
But yeah the ranks really don't tell much in terms of personal ability which is why I say it's so broken. And Climbing rank by going meta and only playing carbon only when splat zones is on is exactly the way I do NOT want to continue playing ranked :) Rainmaker with bad teams or bust!
It's simple, they dislike chargers (be it useless or too useful) so they go out of their way to be griefers.
My top 5 weapons in Splatnet are pretty much all hipster weapons :P
You misunderstood me. I'm not saying you're damage stacking your weapons like an E-Liter. I'm saying you seem to approach weapons with a "This ability is a must for this weapon!" mindset and I was saying that it doesn't have to be the case. If you keep your mind open towards creative ability configurations and playstyles, you'll find there's a lot that can be done.
Take your time! :D
Definitely! a few of us in another thread had discussed the need for a ladder reset at least every season or something...like almost any other ladder ranked game has. People would be anoyed that they lost their rank again, but it's also the only way to deal with the evolving meta of a new game.
I guess I just don't understand the mentality of a griefer. Not sure how they think chargers are usless in a game where most complain chargers are OP, nor how it's fun dedicating that time to doing nothing but bothering a single weapon in the game, not because the user is particularly good or bad but just because of their weapon choice. Sounds more annoying than fun. They cloak it in arrogance of being a superior player with a superior weapon choice, but I'm guessing if they didn't suck badly themselves, they would have more fun playing than just hiding in friendly turf "attacking" their own team. :)
LOL, I can't imagine what's more "hipster" than hydra and eliter :)
Ahh, oh, no I don't pick a "must have" ability for any weapon other than dmg up for eliter due to charge times, when I say a must have, I mean for my play style with it. I.E. I'd run out of in with x weapon without ink recover, or I wouldn't be able to rush players like i do with Y weapon without run speed etc. And even with CEliter I'm running less dmg up than conventional wisdom says because I REALLY want my super jump up for how I play it (And I want to wear my straw boater hat because it's sooo fresh and totes adorbs! :D)
LOL, except dynamo...I've yet to unlock it from the campaign! I keep saving the campaign for when the server is down for maintenance....I'm at the last boss, but I backtracked to collect all the scrolls first. I'm probably the only lv48 almost 49 that hasn't beat the camaign yet :p But I know somewhat how to play it.
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Huh, never even thought about using Recom for that. Said ninja are rather rare when I play though, but if they become more common, I'll put Recon back on my list. When they do show up though, coming out of tiny spots to ambush everyone, it really stands out to me because of how unexpected it all it. They almost always use a roller of some sort too, even though I'd imagine a Sploosh-o-matic or even a Bamboozler could do the job too.
That's Smash Bros. for you. It developed a taunt-party subculture where players will not fight and encourage others to not do so, and breaking the rules means a beatdown--a lot of taunt-partygoers are pretty tough and relentless. Even if they don't fight, they'll just wait for nonparticipants to leave.
Oh, okay then. I didn't know an incredibly unstable opponent would be like that. It must be the game trying to fill in the gaps of incomplete information. It works if the gaps are small; actions are easily deductible. When the gaps are like the Grand Canyon, I take it that's when the game decides it cannot play for you and just has you stand thee. Said person who stared into Blackbelly corridors, by the way, did so for two consecutive matches, then was gone after the second one. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a normal player with a horrid connection.
Depends on the parents. There are definitely plenty who will pay for a Wii U and Splatoon without hesitation. They spoil their kids silly. There are parents who will spend far more expensive things for their kids on impulse than a Wii U and a game. Any public archery range will be full of those parents whenever the Sun is out. A good bow and all required accessories, when bought new (and parents will almost always buy new), can set you back about $1,200. Arrows can cost up to $60 each. If you talk to the kids, it becomes clear the idea of parents refusing to buy something does not exist to them. If youtalk to the parents, it becomes clear they will spare no expense to keep their kids happy.
If you don't see them moving much, it COULD be someone with a horrid connection, or it could also be a little kid. Some very small children are content to simply watch the action going on around them and are mesmerized by it. They don't yet understand the concept of a video game.
Yeah, as far as those parents concerned, video games are just a way to keep their kids content, either as a babysitter or as a friend. That a game like Splatoon is a team-based game with randomly chosen teammates and opponents doesn't occur to them, or if they sufficiently spoil their kids, don't care and expect their kids' teammates to guide them through.
The ones who mash "C'mon!" right from the start are always, without exception, low-skill players. They know the rules, they know what to do, and they know the stages well...they just end each match with 200p to 350p with splatteds greatly outnumbering their splats. It looks like they get flanked or ambushed easily. Hence, the "C'mon!" spamming seems to be them requesting a teammate to follow with them and help them attack and cover their sides.
I've often seen the flip-side too: Japaneseplayers who are severely losing and will squid-party because they've given up. THOSE are frustrating when they'reon my team because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. They remove themselves from the match, putting us at a disadvantage. Now, if it's Turf War and the team is in Danger! with less than 30 seconds left, there's not much you can do, but in Ranked, an amount of coeback can happen. I've won Rainmaker matches where the opponent was already taking the Rainmaker up against their goal, I've won Tower Control matches where the opponentshave partially put the tower into the endpoint, and I've won Splat Zone matches where the opposing team's countdown reached 1. (I've even had one where we were at 100-1 and we came back to win.) To give up then is premature.
Those roller users are not always the case. They are definitely focused entirely on inking and pick rollers because 1) they have a reputation for being good at inking, and 2) rollers are the weapon furthest removed from a shooter and most direct in understanding what they do, so rollers are appealing to people who have never played a shooter before. Many people start out using only rollers. Some of them are actually very good at what they do, turning in 1100p to 1400p every match BEFORE the victory bonus. The ones who just get splatted and ignore opponents, however, are most likely new to the game.
An easy way around that is to use uncommonly seen weapons. If the game likes to match people with those using the same weapon, a rare weapon will necessarily put you into diverse rooms. There's also a psychological effect. As the game tells you what weapon you were splatted by, someone who uses a common weapon who's getting splatted a lot by rare weapons might be tempted to diversify more. Some people don't think a weapon has much potential until they see skilled usage of that weapon. I'm sure I've done that with both Bamboozlers before.
I`ll consider using recon with the dynamos! Although that would mean I`d have to give up my ink recovery up D: