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Inkling: The Language of Splatoon

Discussion in 'Regular Discussion' started by Mithical1, Apr 24, 2015.

  1. GalacticGrandma

    GalacticGrandma Inkling

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    Going by the chart posted by @Joseph Staleknight, I'm a tad confused. Character 109S has to make two different sounds, 'də' and 'əʊ' in order to spell 'Dojo' ('dōˌjō'). If the order of the center sign is 109S, 119, ??? , 109S, and 119 making the 'ho' sound and the ??? (character that looks like a boxed-8) making the 'juh' sound (J is considered it's own sound, it's not a phonetic character unless you count the soft 'G's but this is the best I got); would that make character 109S a blending sound or a signal of tone? How can we solve this? [Also, we need to account for the missing character on the chart][​IMG]
     
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    MissingNumbers Inkling Commander

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    I would sooner think that the big text says "1 vs 1", actually. The picture below it seems to suggest it as well.
     
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  3. GalacticGrandma

    GalacticGrandma Inkling

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    The side signs are 'battle' and 119 according to the chart makes the 'oh' sound which fits in 'Dojo' and not 'versus'. While it is plausible it's one versus one, recent evidence says otherwise. Who knows, maybe the 'Dojo' sign is what makes or breaks the chart. o_O
     
  4. PiyozR

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    For one, I'm not going to assume that any Inkling in Inkopolis is going to match up with the English or Japanese pronunciation even remotely. For two, the letters seen throughout the game are without a doubt nonsense regardless. I checked, and all those letters are on our syllabary.

    Now for tonight's update. Attached I have the pronouns of Inkling. I, you, he/she/it, us, y'all, and they.

    Also attached is a chart of forty Inkling verbs that should hopefully be useful at this stage. From "to be" to the slang word for "splat", this should be a good foundation for building a vocabulary. Check it out and feel free to add your own.

    The third image is the Inkling way to say "hello". These are the same two words seen on t-shirts and on the amiibo's. It's pronounced like "eeroo" and it means "I rise" or "I ascend" or "I wake up" in that it's what an Inkling would say in the morning when getting up from bed. This "roo" is also the word for "climb", i.e. what you do in Arowana Mall when you're trying to climb up the walls to the higher platforms.

    The fourth is my first Inkling sentence! [*Villager taunt dance*] "Hello, my name is Piyoz."

    Next up on the agenda, recovering from E3 and creating some basic nouns. Check back whenever I actually get that done.
     

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    Unfortunately no – not without crazy technically-ligatures/OpenType stuff that I'm not super sure about. I can definitely assign letters or alternate forms to non-standard characters, though, so we could definitely have glyphs assigned to, say, , or one glyph assigned to "n" and a variation to "ñ" or something like that. Looks like @Poltersquid mentioned this as well.

    It would be best to have our "core" alphabet of the most widely used glyphs be A-Z/a-z (26 + 26 = 52 in total, plus 10 numbers and a few various symbols/punctuation). Any ideas which I should assign to the standard keyboard keys, and which I should assign to lesser-pressed keys?

    Again, this comes back to the question, "what key should we have to press to type the (for example) circle-with-a-hook character?" That is, should the first line of the Squid Sisters song be able to be typed by typing, e.g., "FNJ FNJ STG", or should it be "GHT GHT ELN"? Any ideas for this would be appreciated, otherwise I'll just make it random/arbitrary (perhaps based a bit on the IPA, but that can only go so far.)
     
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    is octoling the same as inkling
     
  7. Avpapaya

    Avpapaya Inkling

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    Hi guys, great work here. I just wanted to share my observation about inkling.. Inkling is created and used by Japanese developers and graphic artists. They're most likely not going to use something they can't easily translate from Japanese. Since there are 3 types of characters in Japanese, maybe you guys should be looking for the same in Inkling: regular speech in one type like hiragana; English-transliterated words in another as in Katakana, and some unique-gliphs like Kanji. The confusing could be result of all 3 types often sounding exactly the same.
     
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    Ah, I see. I'm not really sure what to say. The "o" letters and the "e" letters are very common in Inkling. All the others are used equally frequently. Outside of that, I'm not quite sure what to tell ya. I could mention that for the purposes of a single font, it's okay to have only the serif glyphs (and not the rounded alternates). That leaves a mere 126 letters to be represented by 26 lower case letters, 26 capital letters, `, ~, !, @, #, $, %, ^, &, *, (, ), -, _, =, +, [, {, ], }, \, |, ;, :, ', ", ,, <, ., >, / and ?. That's 84. Could we find 42 more letters like ñ, é, ô, ç, and others like that?

    No.

    that's something that I considered. While Splatoon's languages clearly take some inspiration from Japanese characters, it doesn't look like the same logic applies here. Inkling is composed of fifty-two unique base characters that are flipped, flopped, rounded, or given an extra marking to provide another sound altogether or simply another glyph of the same pronunciation.
     
  9. Apostrophe

    Apostrophe Inkling

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    Hey guys, I have to say I am thoroughly impressed by your dedication to this. I just read over this entire thread and had a thought for the inking font. Maybe there should be a version that uses characters that are similar to the corresponding English character (with capitals being another similar variation/rotation) so we could make pseudo words like the "Pan", "Dog" "On air" words.

    Just thought it would be fun to have a option that doesn't require learning a new language (We could also so it for hiragana/katakana to, if it's not too difficult.)
     
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  10. aggravatedTranscription

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    @PiyozR Quick question, are glyphs 66 and 67, and 68 and 69 supposed to be pronounced the same?
     
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    Yes they are. I just hadn't decided that until after I drew them. You'll find lots of glyphs throughout Splatoon that are simple flips or rotations of what's on our syllabary that aren't listed but are still essentially the same letter. We made it flexible like that just to cover all our bases. Mostly because I want to finish this before I die.

    Attached is tonight's progress. First up is a list of prepositions. These are essential for later.

    Second is a list of some (hopefully) useful nouns, both proper and normal. Included are the words for Inklings, Octarians, the Squid Sisters by group and by name, and many other things you'd see around Inkopolis. It's one of probably two that I'll make. Anyone who has suggestions for more nouns, some adjectives, and other parts of speech is welcome to suggest anything they want me to make. Tomorrow I'll probably do some conjunctions.
     

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    What do you mean by this – what glyphs/symbols?

    Likely, yes. :) I'll let you know (i.e. post here) if there are any issues.

    I've been a bit busy with E3 this week but I should be able to get everything done by this weekend!
     
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    Nickfire47 Inkster Jr.

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    Well there is hope after all!
     

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    PiyozR Senior Squid

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    Sorry, I should have used the numbers. I meant 30 through and 36 and 73 through 80.

    Yeah, same here. Mostly irl stuff that will keep me from writing more words for most of the weekend.

    Honestly, I don't see it happening. I really wish I'm wrong because that'd be really impressive on Nintendo's part.
     
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    Ah, makes sense. :) I currently have the 'e'-looking character (to be exact, #76) mapped to C [although I could make it 'E' if we want it more similar to English transliteration?] and the 'o'-looking one (variant #34 but made it a bit more rounded) mapped to O.
     
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    first four lines (at least) are done...
    [​IMG]
     
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  17. DarkGalahad

    DarkGalahad Inkling

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    Are you guys sure that the english speaking people from nintendo are actually a credible resource on figuring out if the language is actually gibberish? Because whenever you look into the credits of any nintendo game it is always all japanese names. Also, considering the actual part of nintendo that creates the game is stationed in japan, these two facts ive just stated may mean that this Lindsay woman who emailed one of the people on this forum could just be making stuff up. The people who send emails to us and are part of nintendo customer service do in fact NOT create any of the games because they are stationed in America. Not where the games are actually created. I dont think people who arent part of the game creation division of the company are informed of the actual creation of the game before launch nor after. This woman is probably just doing her job by emailing you back and is just stating her opinion and claiming it as factual. I'd really like a response from you guys on this.In my opinion i would think that the actual creation of the game would be kept classified and secret from the people who didnt create the games such as nintendo customer service which emailed one of us
     
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  18. Poltersquid

    Poltersquid Inkling

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    it is true that the games are made in japan, however the american workers are responsible for the localization of the game, translating the words and changing details to fit the area its in. Due to this, its likely they would have knowledge of if the text and speech is translatable or not. On the other hand, the person you are speaking to is most likely only a helpdesk employee, so might not have that info.
     
  19. polysaw

    polysaw Inkster Jr.

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    Hi everyone,

    I'm kind of a language fanatic and I just wanted to say that I'm super amazed at all the work you've done so far!! I know you've been working really hard on this language Piyoz, but I was wondering a few things. Grammar wise, I noticed that your list of prepositions and the word order shown in your sentence seems to be a directly from English. Is Inkling going to be grammatically based off of Western European languages? Will there be aspects from other languages too such as noun cases, varying word order, particles, etc? Just a few thoughts. I really love your organization of the glyphs, and I'm really looking forward to the development of this language!!
     
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    freefun55 Inkling

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    I have always been wondering but I think it is a functioning language, don't have much proof yet though
     
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    Of course the American Nintendo people don't have a clue. That's why we're not taking it seriously. Not until someone from Nintendo says something.

    I sincerely doubt that the foreign localization teams would know anything about this.

    Thanks for the feedback! For now, things like prepositions, conjunctions, nouns, verbs, and adjectives will be given roles similar to Western languages (save for conjugation because I really don't want to put myself through that unnecessary trouble). When I start stringing sentences together, creating phrases and clauses it's not going to be really based on any Western language in that way. But nothing's set in stone yet.

    My idea at the moment is a more rigidly-structured kind of Chinese (Time + Subject + Verb + Adjective + Object). I'm going to start with something like that and just go in a direction that sounds and reads fluidly. Again, it won't be incredibly complex grammar like many Latin-based languages with conjugation, modes and tenses. And I certainly won't be created thousands of words of a dictionary. If people want to make their own words after me, I think we've established a good cornerstone for that.

    If any other linguists out there have any input on, I'm all ears.
     
  22. OctagonalKahn

    OctagonalKahn Inkster Jr.

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    This is a seriously interesting subject. I am now somewhat interested in learning stuff about new languages. Oh, and can we all agree that the Inkling language spoken by the characters in the game is gibberish!
     
  23. MissingNumbers

    MissingNumbers Inkling Commander

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    I feel like this is repeated at least once every page.
     
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    After two days of irl business including the new Jurassic Park movie, I finally have some more Inkling words. First is another page of Inkling nouns for your perusal.

    Second is a list of conjunctions that will be indispensable later on.

    Third we have a big list of adjectives and a few adverbs. Now you can actually describe some of the nouns you've seen. You can talk about the size of a person, or maybe the color of their clothing. You think that Inkopolis is beautiful? Now you have the first building blocks for putting words together with some manner of semantics! Everyone is welcome to add their own words to this list. Just make sure to check to see that that combination of letters isn't already used.

    Last up tonight is a small image introducing some introductory phrases for normal conversation. Hello, good-bye, yes, no, please, and thank you. With these, you can begin to speak some very, very Inkling 101 sentences! Have at it! Expect some more of these starter phrases and some more grammar-related stuff soon.
     

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    Nukichuu Inkling Cadet

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    whua cool people actually found out some stuff about the language o_O
     
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    It's less finding things out and more adding things on, really.
     
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    This thread amazes me every time I look into it. Keep up the great work, even if a lot of it is made up, as long as no one provides better sources, everything can be possible.

    I agree with DarkGalahad's statement. If we want a 100% failsave answer, we probably had to ask a member of the actual japanese dev team or Miyamoto himself.
     
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    Yo, this dude on Miiverse posted this.
    I only recognize a couple characters. Legit or no?
    [​IMG]
     
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    Jason Tremble Inkling

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    It doesn't look like it's based on PiyozR's alphabet, considering most of the glyphs in this Miiverse post don't exist within that alphabet. Though, he could be using his own variation of Inkling, considering he made another post using some of the same glyphs as from that miiverse post. https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAADVHkMfFdIIA
     
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    font on its way this week

    [​IMG]
     
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    OctagonalKahn Inkster Jr.

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    I bet he found signs, such as the "Hello my name is" And the "On Air" sign and made sentences from them/tried to make an alphabet from them.
     
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    @PiyozR Sorry if this seems unnecessary, but I wanted to know if you had figured out how we should write "stay fresh" in Inkling, or at least the word "fresh". I was just curious because, as we all know, Inkling society is pretty much centered on the concept of staying fresh.
     
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    Jason Tremble Inkling

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    "Stay fresh" is written like this when translated:
    [​IMG] , and is pronounced like "gooyo oei". Hope this helps.
     
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    Would you guys prefer "ligatures" (I put that in quotes for a reason, I'll come back to this later) or accented letters/diacritics?

    For example, we see 4 versions of this same character:
    [​IMG]

    In the Squid Sisters' song and many other materials featuring the language, we see many characters as rotated versions of other glyphs. Even though in some cases I've only observed two/three rotations, it's safe to assume there are 4. Therefore, we need four versions of many letters.

    In the example above, these can be represented by, for example, 'u', 'U', 'ú', and 'ù'. That is, lowercase u, capital u, u with acute accent, and u with grave accent. (We could potentially have 'ü', 'û', and the capitalized versions of all of these, too).

    However, not all letters are able to be accented, e.g. 'b'. While we can have the lowercase and uppercase variants of this letter – accounting for two of the rotations – how do we do the other two?

    Here's a solution I propose, if you guys are okay with it: "hack-y" ligatures of sorts. You would type 'b' for rotation 1, 'B' for rotation 2, 'bb' for rotation 3, and 'BB' for rotation 4. I'd add in some sort of delimiter character (perhaps comma) if you want to type two in a row – so, like, if you want to make rotation 1 appear twice as it's repeated, you'd type "b,b" rather than just "bb". Does this sound like an okay solution? Accents can still be used for variations, e.g. o with bar at left represented by 'o', with bar at right represented by 'O', and with no bar represented by 'ó'.

    Not all letters need rotations (e.g. 'i' which just looks like a line, and a version with serifs/bars) – in this case, typing 'ii' or 'II' would simply repeat it twice.

    Please let me know, along with any other suggestions/ideas you have!


    ____

    EDIT: Also, if someone could post the numbers, that'd be great! I know we see them in Walleye Warehouse plus on some other maps. I think I have a couple screenshots including some too…
     
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    Do you have any sources of evidence, or did you just make it up yourself? Just wondering.
     
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    Jason Tremble Inkling

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    "Stay" is in the bottom right of PiyozR's first inkling verb list, found here:
    "Fresh" is also in the bottom right of PiyozR's inkling adjective list, found here:
    So, no. I didn't make them up myself.
     
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    zmop Inkling Cadet

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    I'll be looking forward to this!
     
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    But still made up nonetheless. :p

    Thank you!
     
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    OctagonalKahn Inkster Jr.

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    Wouldn't Stay Fresh be pronounced: oyo oei
     
  40. Jason Tremble

    Jason Tremble Inkling

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    Whoops. Going to edit that.
    EDIT: Edited the edit I made, the correct pronunciation is "gooyo oei".
     
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