Splatoon 2: Find Out What's Fresh! (General Discussion)

What are you most excited about for Splatoon 2?

  • New Weapons

    Votes: 8 7.9%
  • New Stages

    Votes: 5 5.0%
  • New Specials

    Votes: 3 3.0%
  • New Character Customization Options

    Votes: 16 15.8%
  • New Modes

    Votes: 9 8.9%
  • The Return of Old Stuff (Stages, Weapons, etc.)

    Votes: 5 5.0%
  • EVERYTHING!!!

    Votes: 55 54.5%

  • Total voters
    101
  • Poll closed .

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I think it's more of a self fulfilling prophecy. Those tournament players are simply really good. And they're going to be capable of learning to use the strengths of any weapon unless it's a weapon with an actual flaw. Tournament players happen to pick weapon X, and it works for them, and people see it dominating, and a popular top player like Dude tells everyone it works well and everyone follows it. If tournament players started dominating with other weapons those weapons would become the meta. Using Dude as the example, look at how expertly he can use most any weapon. There's not many weapons I'd want to go up against if he's using them :p Same is true for most top players. The fact that when a patch drops everyone starts trying to quantify "what's the new meta" "what's the best weapon" and the perennial "what's the tier list".....the bulk of players are looking for a quantified, numeric "best" weapon to play. Most would believe any weapon is that weapon if someone expert enough told them it is.

The tourney looks like it does precisely because of this. IF you know everyone else has one of 3 weapons all of similar range and speed class, and can count on any team comp looking similar, then similar weapons are your best counter. So everyone uses nzap and pro because everyone uses nzap and pro. The problem builds the resulting problem. Not just in Splatoon....all games suffer the same thing.




We're actually mostly agreeing here. It's not JUST dude alone that would make that happen (though the "Dude said" meme should give us a hint) but also if we start talking about the fake "meta" here, reddit, include someone like dude, you'll see people trying it.....and that trial will trickle down to the masses just as you describe. Then articles will pop up defending that new meta and why you need to think differently to understand it.

People really underestimate just how much social influence and "promoters" combined shape public thinking entirely. Actually it would be a fun social experiment. This is precisely what corporate PR firms, governments, and media do to the tune of trillions of dollars on a daily basis.
I forget which of the top teams were saying it, but a week or two ago, someone from a really popular team was calling out other teams for just following the meta instead of playing what they’re best on. This guy was saying what you kind of are — that if you are awesome on a non-meta weapon, you can form the meta... which is a reason not to succumb to the meta in the first place.

It’s kind of circular thinking, but it makes sense once you really think about it. What he was calling for wasn’t for new weapons to replace the current meta. He was calling for an expanded meta.
 

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Honestly I've gotten real sick of everyone just following the meta and everyone using the forge pro. Just because of clam blitz and the pro buff that happened several patches earlier. It was all because DUDE said it'd be good n clam blitz.
As someone who has used Forge for Splat Zones since shortly after it released, this really gets under my skin. Being the only Forge user in alot of ranked matches was nice. Now there's 3+ per match. I was watching a DUDE stream, and seeing one guy go "I'm learning bubbles all because of you!" irritated me to no end.

I think the meta is a combination of what "pro" players tell them what is best, and what's easiest. Not many people bother learning the kinks around weapons with a learning curve, and instead just go for weapons you can just point and kill with the easiest. The weapons that you can't simply rush in and kill with are considered "bad" by the top players, and alot of other people follow those opinions.

I recently watched a famous player make a video about the Undercover Brella, and instead of trying to figure it out, he rushed in with it expecting to immediately kill his opponent. Never tried to attempt mix in his special or subs with it, just rushes in and gets irritated when the BRELLA doesn't kill fast at max range. At the end of the video, he calls it a word I can't say on this site. Because of this, I believe most other players will hold the same "opinion" and write it off as bad instead of figuring it out.
 

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Yall fools need to stop with "promote a fake meta" conspiracy... because it's the sort of shenanigans I would gladly help with! :p

I recently watched a famous player make a video about the Undercover Brella, and instead of trying to figure it out, he rushed in with it expecting to immediately kill his opponent. Never tried to attempt mix in his special or subs with it, just rushes in and gets irritated when the BRELLA doesn't kill fast at max range. At the end of the video, he calls it a word I can't say on this site. Because of this, I believe most other players will hold the same "opinion" and write it off as bad instead of figuring it out.
I'll admit, after a terrible week I did find a sadistic joy in that video! Yet overall it was like watching someone willfully use a screwdriver to do the job of a hammer, knowing full well that a screwdriver makes a lousy hammer! But yeah, as much as that lil splashdown factory can annoy me, it got done wrong in that vid. :(
 

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Ok I will admit the consensus on a meta all revolved around hearsay, and professional backing. Where as a weapons actually skill in a meta is usually determined by it's ease of use and it's usefulness across the game

I do feel that Play a weapon just because someone says it's good
Cpeople to follow a strict style on how a weapon is played instead of making it their own unique style of play
I mean I have seen plenty of forge players, and even played it few time myself, but most of them focus on slaying, whereas I am building up bubble walls to protect teammates, and sharking an objective.

@J'Wiz
First off for all you squidboards users out there listen carefully
THE UNDERCOVER BRELLA IS NOT TERRIBLE

Also I hate this idea of shunning and refusing to play a weapon just because someone said it was bad.... it so frustrating to me

Because I know in the matches I have played both in solo queue and league that no matter how bad a weapon is, there is players style and way of thinking is so unique that it makes a non-meta weapons more effective than a meta choice.

I have played Thatsrb2dude, and other "pro players" and won quite a few times, not using a so called meta weapon
I beat him with a goo tuber, a tenta brella, a custom eliter 4k, a foil flingza, and a vanilla dynamo roller.

Even scared Dude half to death with both a flingza and a eliter 4k in the past:D
Proof: https://clips.twitch.tv/SnappyEvilMomAMPTropPunch

Honestly what we need is a non-meta player who actually knows how to use these weapons to create videos and show players how good these weapons actually are and balance out these views.
 

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Honestly what we need is a non-meta player who actually knows how to use these weapons to create videos and show players how good these weapons actually are and balance out these views.
I love the idea of someone making videos on how to use non-meta weapons and even how to use meta weapons in non-meta ways. Could be so interesting and could also help raise the skill floor for many under used weapons.
 
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I'm feelin it doesn't/shouldn't be a one person project. It could, sure, but that's a lot for just one player of any ability to take on. And with the Switch's snapshot and video clip functions, we don't have to entirely rely on play session videos to get a point across.
 

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That sounds incredible and I would be in full support of that. If anyone throws something together I'd love to help but idk how to do anything regarding recording or anything like that other than taking snapshots. Honestly what got me going on the weapons I play now is seeing people do really well with weapons in S1 and me wishing those weapons could be that good like the dynamo or Rocketek's advanced slosher guide and stuff. I just wished those weapons were as great so I felt inspired to play them and get good enough to be able to pull them off (Hence the slosher deco and dynamo in my sig). Maybe this is just me b/c I never played S1 but seeing people do really well with "off-meta" weapons inspires me to want to use them. But it's not enough to see HXN play the L-3 D, I wanna have the video be from his POV not spectator mode.
 

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Honestly what we need is a non-meta player who actually knows how to use these weapons to create videos and show players how good these weapons actually are and balance out these views.
To be honest, many of the videos in the series you're referencing are exactly this. Yeah, the undercover brella video was a misrepresentation of the weapon, but the video on the tenta brella (Often considered to be one of the worst weapons) actually presented it in a quite positive light, and has useful insight for someone trying to figure it out. The appeal of Tearing It Up is precisely seeing how a skilled player uses a non-conventional weapon to best take advantage of its strengths.
 

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To be honest, many of the videos in the series you're referencing are exactly this. Yeah, the undercover brella video was a misrepresentation of the weapon, but the video on the tenta brella (Often considered to be one of the worst weapons) actually presented it in a quite positive light, and has useful insight for someone trying to figure it out. The appeal of Tearing It Up is precisely seeing how a skilled player uses a non-conventional weapon to best take advantage of its strengths.
Those videos do that in a way, but I think we’re still lacking a series that emphasizes different ways to play. The community as a whole emphasizes slaying and special spamming, but there are other ways to use certain weapons that don’t rely solely on either. From what I’ve seen from Dude’s Tearing it Up series is that he figures out ways to get kills with non-conventional weapons. That IS helpful, but the focus isn’t on using meta and non-meta weapons in unconventional ways. It’s on figuring out how to use non-meta weapons to support a meta focus.


This is probably splitting hairs, but I want a series that shows way out of the box tricks.
 

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Yeah, Dude has a very distinct hunter-killer approach to the game. He never stalls or plays defense, and only pushes the objective when it's clear that no one else is going to do it, or the other team has been wiped and he's right there already. Watching his videos can be helpful to learn how to murderize people, but that's not what the Covert Brella is good at.
 

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"I beat dude with Goo Tuber, 4k, and Flingza." @Saber, I think we can close the thread out now. It's now complete. There is nothing more. :P
 

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Bets on tomorrows' weapon!

PLACE YA BETS, LADIES AND GENTLESQUIDS!

PLACE YA BETSSSSSSS
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Custom Dualie Squelchers for me!






Shut up, I can dream ;_;
 

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So I have been reading what everyone has been writing, lately and decided to do it myself, I am going to be posting a new thread titled

The non-meta nomad
EDIT: I just posted it, enjoy!

It will basically serve as a potential script for a future video....but before I start filming and editing I want to get a general concesus, to make sure I covered everything.
The only problem I have is I got not recording equipment, nor any real experience with YT policy so I will need all the help I can get
 
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Custom Dualie Squelchers for me!


Shut up, I can dream ;_;
This is actually my legit guess. They just buffed the DS yet again. It may be far fetched because they released the dapples recently, but now is a great time to bring the (C)DS into the fold.

And @Saber — this is a great idea you have.
 

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I want my new squiffer... and then I will have my peace, but the custom DS doesn't sound too bad
 

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inb4 Custom Goo Tuber since that thing got a huge buff and Nintendo really wants people to use their shiny new weapons :v
If not I'd also love to get Neo Splash-o-matic. Burst Bombs + Suction Bomb Rush? Yes please. That thing is going to be an absolute painting monster
 

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. . .

I just realized

It has been a while since we last got a slosher. . .

(play music when looking at picture)

 

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I'll vote for Custom Dualie Squelchers but prepare for disappointment :P
 

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