When is squid partying ok?

[G1ng3rGar1]

I only ever tried to star them on maps I didn't like, but know I kinda really try not to start them since I think it's rude to the people that are actually playing the game. If you have friends you want to party with, I agree with girigiri now and keep it in private battles. Plus, you can choose maps and use ranked colors if you want.



That's good at least. If parties don't work then it's best to play normally.

The thing is that I pretty much only have Private Battles with 2 friends-one really nice @Babycowland and the other a school friend. And Babycow hosts ranked battle-ish things that I don't want to mess up cause you know I am shy me that will apologize for everything (except in normal lobbies but there I mostly apologize for my disgusting gameplay) and be the most aggreeable person ever ('oh that's what you want to do? Okay that's fine I don't mind it's all okay I swear')
(And the school friend is away visiting family for what's probably the whole summer and while there's a Wii u there his Splatoon copy is digital ;-; )

And nobody's Wii U hours really match up with mine so yeah I can't do that

But other than my situation private battles should work for everyone else

 

[girigiriHERO]

Personally, I think selfishness is being underrated in this thread.

I never start squid parties, but if I see a teammate or an OPPONENT do it, then yeah, I'll give them attention and do it too.
(I do always try to get 400p either way.)

I dunno how selfish I can be if I'm entertaining an opponent who is partying by joining in. That's selfless, actually.

Starting them is selfish, joining them, while not selfish, isn't selfless because if ONE person is doing it, 2 of the others (including you until you saw it) had every intention of playing the game.
While I understand 100% this is a game, it's still a team effort, all sports are, so I prefer to put these scenarios in to real world situations as comparison. What about the games played in sports during pre-season? They don't actually matter, they are just practice and for fun, so it's okay to drop down on the pitchers mound and flop around in hopes the rest of the team will too? Everyone will kick you off the team and ask you to leave. "But, it's just practice, it doesn't matter because the season hasn't started yet"...yeah, that's gonna fly. Is it fun to load up say Super Mario 3D World and run around in a circle jumping up and down? I'm going to guess no. Do you see this being done in ANY other online shooter game in existence? No. It literally makes no sense to do it.

@Green Waffles I've been getting some hate due to my strong opinion towards squid parties, but as I said, I'm directing it at the people that do it the entire match and put their team at a handicap, that is what I consider inexcusable as there is no reason to do it. If you wanna jump around with an opposing team mate for 10 seconds and get back to work...while I don't understand it, it's only 1/18th of the game. However in Ranked every second can count so I don't think it's acceptable AT ALL. I won a Ranked battle yesterday in Splatzones (S rank) because some idiot on the other team decided to Squid Bag my team mate and I pegged him off, then killed their Charger (because he was defenseless). We were losing 28 to 5 and because of OT (because 2 of their team mates were killed with like 5 seconds left) we came back and took the lead. Had he not been a pretentious douche bag, they might have won the match, but it felt oh so good to do so.

 

[G1ng3rGar1]

People are weird. That's all. And both squid partiers (especially in ranked) and squid party haters are party poopers.
Deal with it

 

[PrinceOfKoopas]

Starting them is selfish, joining them, while not selfish, isn't selfless because if ONE person is doing it, 2 of the others (including you until you saw it) had every intention of playing the game.
While I understand 100% this is a game, it's still a team effort, all sports are, so I prefer to put these scenarios in to real world situations as comparison. What about the games played in sports during pre-season? They don't actually matter, they are just practice and for fun, so it's okay to drop down on the pitchers mound and flop around in hopes the rest of the team will too? Everyone will kick you off the team and ask you to leave. "But, it's just practice, it doesn't matter because the season hasn't started yet"...yeah, that's gonna fly. Is it fun to load up say Super Mario 3D World and run around in a circle jumping up and down? I'm going to guess no. Do you see this being done in ANY other online shooter game in existence? No. It literally makes no sense to do it.

First of all, concerning it being done in any other online shooting game in existence? I'm pretty sure it happens in Team Fortress 2.
It also has a history of being done on Nintendo online. (See Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Smash Bros. 4's For Fun mode.)

Okay, here's what the semantic game designer in me would say:

You keep using “playing” as the verb, right? So, squid partying is exactly that. It's playing.
It's playing with the system the game developers have created. You talk about intent of the game designer, and I say this — the designers had every intention to make the controls of Splatoon feel great. It was entirely purposeful to have just the very movement of your Inkling feel awesome.

How can you then fault players for enjoying that, and wanting to enjoy that with their friends? There is a very valid motivation for playing Splatoon that I personally have: That is the social, community aspect of it. This can be shared with competitive motivation, or it may be one or the other.

Nintendo's developers want their games to appeal to a wide demographic of people with a wide variety of motivations for playing. That's why they have Ranked and Turf Wars as different lobbies. That's why there is For Fun and For Glory. It's why you can also search in the Wii U's friend list people you've played online and find them and send them friend requests, or go to their Miiverse and talk with them. And I've done this after squid-partying with people. They attach to me like flies and honey when they see a friendly, sympathetic squid flopping around with them. They go through enemy lines just to be reunited with me! It's touching. And impactful. Much more memorable to me than the competitive parts.

You can treat squid partying in unfriendly territory to be like a game-within-a-game, or a game that is an added layer put on top of the base Splatoon. That only enriches the experience. It doesn't detract it.

And if 3D World has those kinds of movement options that are fun, then yes, that's fun. Personally, I enjoy the dashing options in the Mega Man Zero games, so I dash around aimlessly in-between levels.

Got a problem with that? Blame the designers for making it so smooth.

 

[Dessgeega]

How can you then fault players for enjoying that, and wanting to enjoy that with their friends? There is a very valid motivation for playing Splatoon that I personally have: That is the social, community aspect of it. This can be shared with competitive motivation, or it may be one or the other.

The social aspect in Splatoon is incredibly limited by design, as it's been in most all of Nintendo's games. And there's a reason for that, namely that gamers are both generally hostile and intolerant of nonsense. Frankly it's a blessing that Splatoon doesn't have voice chat, and this fact is probably one of squid partying's saving graces. "Hey guys let's party! *ZL ZL ZL*" followed by 1 to 3 people of various age screaming a cuss storm in their native tongue would happen quite often.

Splatoon's competition is more in line with a lot of western titles than Nintendo's lot, so your comparisons don't really match up. I can think of similar activities that would get on so many people's black lists. Spend a Rocket League match doing cool flips off the walls, watch as you get shouted out of the room. Spam dance emotes during a mmo raid? Whoops you got kicked. And let's not even start on what would happen if you screwed around in League of Legends or Dota 2...

And yes, this does happen in TF2, but considering that there's an achievement for murdering conga lines even Valve acknowledges that people are just as likely to shoot you as play along.

You wanna compare to other games, fine, but you need to do so in a wider spectrum than just Nintendo's stuff given Splatoon's unique niche in their library. And I'd like to mention again that absolutely nothing changes the fact that partying is not playing the game as it was designed and intended. Doesn't stop you from doing it of course, but no sentiment will change that.

 

[girigiriHERO]

First of all, concerning it being done in any other online shooting game in existence? I'm pretty sure it happens in Team Fortress 2.
It also has a history of being done on Nintendo online. (See Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Smash Bros. 4's For Fun mode.)

Okay, here's what the semantic game designer in me would say:

You keep using “playing” as the verb, right? So, squid partying is exactly that. It's playing.
It's playing with the system the game developers have created. You talk about intent of the game designer, and I say this — the designers had every intention to make the controls of Splatoon feel great. It was entirely purposeful to have just the very movement of your Inkling feel awesome.

How can you then fault players for enjoying that, and wanting to enjoy that with their friends? There is a very valid motivation for playing Splatoon that I personally have: That is the social, community aspect of it. This can be shared with competitive motivation, or it may be one or the other.

Nintendo's developers want their games to appeal to a wide demographic of people with a wide variety of motivations for playing. That's why they have Ranked and Turf Wars as different lobbies. That's why there is For Fun and For Glory. It's why you can also search in the Wii U's friend list people you've played online and find them and send them friend requests, or go to their Miiverse and talk with them. And I've done this after squid-partying with people. They attach to me like flies and honey when they see a friendly, sympathetic squid flopping around with them. They go through enemy lines just to be reunited with me! It's touching. And impactful. Much more memorable to me than the competitive parts.

You can treat squid partying in unfriendly territory to be like a game-within-a-game, or a game that is an added layer put on top of the base Splatoon. That only enriches the experience. It doesn't detract it.

And if 3D World has those kinds of movement options that are fun, then yes, that's fun. Personally, I enjoy the dashing options in the Mega Man Zero games, so I dash around aimlessly in-between levels.

Got a problem with that? Blame the designers for making it so smooth.

PLAYING a game is using the set rules set out for a common objective. You cannot play Baseball my flopping on the pitchers mound, that is NOT playing, just as flopping around as a squid and completely ignoring the objective given is NOT playing the game. If someone passes by and you're running around in circles on SM3DW and they ask what you are doing, you are not going to say you're playing, as playing infer going towards the goal and passing the stage, it's basically for a choice of poor words "f*cking around".

Nintendo does want to appeal to a larger demographics, hence the colourful graphics and non-violent gameplay, at no point does flopping around come in to the situation. I've added 3 people I don't know through the Friends List, you know why? Because they PLAYED THE GAME, and they did it very well. I'm pretty sure they weren't always on my side, but I respected them as a player. I cannot fathom how hopping around, ignoring the objective, and annoying the other players who don't join in "enriches" the game play, because it adds absolutely nothing to it. Tell yourself it's a way to make friends, but it was put better when someone mentioned "casual acquaintances" rather than actual "friends" because nothing will come of it beside the occassional game together if you happen to be playing at the same time...and then what? You're going to flop around together? Clearly you don't know their skill level because they didn't play.

There is no "blame" to push on the developers. Also what you do in Rockman is your choice, why? IT'S A SINGLE PLAYER GAME. If you want to waste your time, go ahead, but don't waste other people's time in Splatoon and play the game when you join in to a public lobby.

 

[Babycowland]

The thing is that I pretty much only have Private Battles with 2 friends-one really nice @Babycowland and the other a school friend. And Babycow hosts ranked battle-ish things that I don't want to mess up cause you know I am shy me that will apologize for everything (except in normal lobbies but there I mostly apologize for my disgusting gameplay) and be the most aggreeable person ever ('oh that's what you want to do? Okay that's fine I don't mind it's all okay I swear')
(And the school friend is away visiting family for what's probably the whole summer and while there's a Wii u there his Splatoon copy is digital ;-; )

And nobody's Wii U hours really match up with mine so yeah I can't do that

But other than my situation private battles should work for everyone else

I'm actually up for basically whatever in private battles. A lot of the people I play with tend to prefer more serious ranked mode matches, so that's what we usually end up doing in the main ones I host. But just the other day I was playing hide and seek and I've been part of squid parties before too. If you want to squid party sometime, that's totally cool with me. I know I have some other Wii U friends who like messing around in private battles, so you're definitely not alone.

I think squid parties are fine. I can understand why people would find it frustrating to see them in ranked or squads given how high the stakes can be in those matches, but I don't see a problem with them in turf war or in private battles. You can always leave a lobby if you don't want to squid party. In my experience it usually isn't too difficult to find a lobby where people are playing seriously, so I don't think squid parties really pose much of a problem for people who don't find them fun.

 

[Dessgeega]

Also, can I just say something? Can't speak for Giri or anyone else, but I don't have an issue with partiers beyond the game proper. Like, @Airi , you kept saying people were implying you're a bad person, and that is not the case. Yes, that party "tactic" rankles me and I'd just as soon never be around you in-game, but that's got no bearing on my opinion of you as a person. Same goes for everyone else, I can scream bloody murder about partiers over in the dead sea thread but my ill will toward that specific person is done pretty much after the match ends.

What we do in video games doesn't define us, unless the person is spouting hate but you get what I mean. Hell, my playstyle is built around pissing off the other team and I volunteer now and then in my spare time :P Eh! Rambling concluded. Just keep it civil, okay? That goes for both sides of the fence, seems to be getting a touch hostile around here.

 

[G1ng3rGar1]

I'm actually up for basically whatever in private battles. A lot of the people I play with tend to prefer more serious ranked mode matches, so that's what we usually end up doing in the main ones I host. But just the other day I was playing hide and seek and I've been part of squid parties before too. If you want to squid party sometime, that's totally cool with me. I know I have some other Wii U friends who like messing around in private battles, so you're definitely not alone.

I think squid parties are fine. I can understand why people would find it frustrating to see them in ranked or squads given how high the stakes can be in those matches, but I don't see a problem with them in turf war or in private battles. You can always leave a lobby if you don't want to squid party. In my experience it usually isn't too difficult to find a lobby where people are playing seriously, so I don't think squid parties really pose much of a problem for people who don't find them fun.

Thanks for the heads up :) Perhaps we'll battle/squid party this weekend

Meanwhile, people are launching fireworks while it's still light outside…go argue at them

 

[Green Waffles]

...in Ranked every second can count

Word.

so I don't think it's acceptable AT ALL

But the morale giri, da moe-rall!

 

[Lyn]

Never, unless it's the enemy team! Free wins! :D

Other than that, keep it in private, please. Hoovies are the worst in TF2.

 

[Aori]

Never, unless it's the enemy team! Free wins!

I don't think the enemy team would like that either.

 

[Dessgeega]

Clearly the solution is to make a special mode just for partiers, and then all the partiers go in that mode and all the other players go in the other mode, and then BOTH MODES GET SET ON FIRE!

 

[Elecmaw]

Starting them is selfish, joining them, while not selfish, isn't selfless because if ONE person is doing it, 2 of the others (including you until you saw it) had every intention of playing the game.
While I understand 100% this is a game, it's still a team effort, all sports are, so I prefer to put these scenarios in to real world situations as comparison. What about the games played in sports during pre-season? They don't actually matter, they are just practice and for fun, so it's okay to drop down on the pitchers mound and flop around in hopes the rest of the team will too? Everyone will kick you off the team and ask you to leave. "But, it's just practice, it doesn't matter because the season hasn't started yet"...yeah, that's gonna fly. Is it fun to load up say Super Mario 3D World and run around in a circle jumping up and down? I'm going to guess no. Do you see this being done in ANY other online shooter game in existence? No. It literally makes no sense to do it.

@Green Waffles I've been getting some hate due to my strong opinion towards squid parties, but as I said, I'm directing it at the people that do it the entire match and put their team at a handicap, that is what I consider inexcusable as there is no reason to do it. If you wanna jump around with an opposing team mate for 10 seconds and get back to work...while I don't understand it, it's only 1/18th of the game. However in Ranked every second can count so I don't think it's acceptable AT ALL. I won a Ranked battle yesterday in Splatzones (S rank) because some idiot on the other team decided to Squid Bag my team mate and I pegged him off, then killed their Charger (because he was defenseless). We were losing 28 to 5 and because of OT (because 2 of their team mates were killed with like 5 seconds left) we came back and took the lead. Had he not been a pretentious douche bag, they might have won the match, but it felt oh so good to do so.

This isn't a sport, it's a videogame as you said. Not everyone in a group solely plays to get better at video games, some people play them to have fun. When people actually play to get better as you describe, they join a clan and go to squads or private battle to polish their skill for actual tournaments. You can't screw around there and go squidkidding. You can't compare this and a bunch of anonymous people playing TW.
Is it selfish to squidparty with a bunch of people in TW? Maybe, but who cares? Turf War's a chill mode anyways, it's not worth getting upset over or playing to your fullest. I'm not going to pack my mains for Turf and bore myself by pubstoming 90% of the matches i encounter. I don't play to win in TW, i play to have fun.

Though if you're talking about Ranked, then i firmly agree. Squid Parties have no place there, and knowing people can now edit their rank with Splathax it'll mean it will only get more common from here. I'll fear this'll only make people leave Splatoon even more.

 

[girigiriHERO]

This isn't a sport, it's a videogame as you said. Not everyone in a group solely plays to get better at video games, some people play them to have fun. When people actually play to get better as you describe, they join a clan and go to squads or private battle to polish their skill for actual tournaments. You can't screw around there and go squidkidding. You can't compare this and a bunch of anonymous people playing TW.
Is it selfish to squidparty with a bunch of people in TW? Maybe, but who cares? Turf War's a chill mode anyways, it's not worth getting upset over or playing to your fullest. I'm not going to pack my mains for Turf and bore myself by pubstoming 90% of the matches i encounter. I don't play to win in TW, i play to have fun.

Though if you're talking about Ranked, then i firmly agree. Squid Parties have no place there, and knowing people can now edit their rank with Splathax it'll mean it will only get more common from here. I'll fear this'll only make people leave Splatoon even more.

I was going to leave this topic be, but this is all I'll say. Every game/sport has a set of rules to follow, if you don't find it FUN, you don't play it, PERIOD. If you don't find the core gameplay of Splatoon fun, don't eff around and piss other people off by doing that, go in to Recon and jump around like an idiot. Otherwise, go play a game you find FUN. Splatoon is a co-operative group effort and in most cases ONE person not playing will result in a loss. Whether or not you consider it a "chill mode" doesn't make a difference, because it pisses me off and causes me stress when I see idiots doing this in TW, so clearly it's not making it "chill" for the other people that want to play the damn game.

EDIT: Having used the SplatHax program to put abilities I already have on gear that looks more "fresh" I don't know of any way to modify your Rank, it's strictly gear and money.

EDIT 2: I play seriously, and I don't like the idea of squads, in fact I think they are stupid, no offense to those in one. I don't find it fun to talk with people I don't know over Discord or anything else like that, I play with friends and family only. I'm sure I'm not a minority as well, so it's not like everyone who wants to play seriously joins a squad.

 

[SpiralRhapsody]

I mean, do whatever you want, but it becomes problematic when it's just two people on my team having a party while someone else and I are trying to play the game.

It's fun n all, sure, but I keep it in private matches

 

[jookie]

It is never okay imho. If you're in a private battle, go ahead. But I hate when it happens in ranked and turf wars. That's not how the game is supposed to be played. Some of us are trying to level/rank up ffs. It was so frustrating the other day that it happened in 5/6 games I joined even after I kept switching lobbies. :/

 

[Coleo&Idea]

Not ok in Ranked, Ok in Turf*.
Just yesterday I played Turf and got a bit frustated. Switched Lobby and hoped to get players which aren't in the ranked-hard-mode. Then realized the enemy team wasn't inking much and suddenly saw a party starting. I didn't care now and joyend for 2 rounds. Was funny and calmed me down.

The board before I left. Thanks to all of you! :)

* When I play Turf to level up gear I simply walk around the party and ink stuff. So we're all happy.

 

[G1ng3rGar1]

Not ok in Ranked, Ok in Turf*.
Just yesterday I played Turf and got a bit frustated. Switched Lobby and hoped to get players which aren't in the ranked-hard-mode. Then realized the enemy team wasn't inking much and suddenly saw a party starting. I didn't care now and joyend for 2 rounds. Was funny and calmed me down.

The board before I left. Thanks to all of you! :)

* When I play Turf to level up gear I simply walk around the party and ink stuff. So we're all happy.

Glad you had a great time! ^^ Squid parties are a great way to destress after a couple hard battles

 

[AlphaOmegaSplatter]

PLAYING a game is using the set rules set out for a common objective. You cannot play Baseball my flopping on the pitchers mound, that is NOT playing, just as flopping around as a squid and completely ignoring the objective given is NOT playing the game. If someone passes by and you're running around in circles on SM3DW and they ask what you are doing, you are not going to say you're playing, as playing infer going towards the goal and passing the stage, it's basically for a choice of poor words "f*cking around".

Nintendo does want to appeal to a larger demographics, hence the colourful graphics and non-violent gameplay, at no point does flopping around come in to the situation. I've added 3 people I don't know through the Friends List, you know why? Because they PLAYED THE GAME, and they did it very well. I'm pretty sure they weren't always on my side, but I respected them as a player. I cannot fathom how hopping around, ignoring the objective, and annoying the other players who don't join in "enriches" the game play, because it adds absolutely nothing to it. Tell yourself it's a way to make friends, but it was put better when someone mentioned "casual acquaintances" rather than actual "friends" because nothing will come of it beside the occassional game together if you happen to be playing at the same time...and then what? You're going to flop around together? Clearly you don't know their skill level because they didn't play.

There is no "blame" to push on the developers. Also what you do in Rockman is your choice, why? IT'S A SINGLE PLAYER GAME. If you want to waste your time, go ahead, but don't waste other people's time in Splatoon and play the game when you join in to a public lobby.

Starting them is selfish, joining them, while not selfish, isn't selfless because if ONE person is doing it, 2 of the others (including you until you saw it) had every intention of playing the game.
While I understand 100% this is a game, it's still a team effort, all sports are, so I prefer to put these scenarios in to real world situations as comparison. What about the games played in sports during pre-season? They don't actually matter, they are just practice and for fun, so it's okay to drop down on the pitchers mound and flop around in hopes the rest of the team will too? Everyone will kick you off the team and ask you to leave. "But, it's just practice, it doesn't matter because the season hasn't started yet"...yeah, that's gonna fly. Is it fun to load up say Super Mario 3D World and run around in a circle jumping up and down? I'm going to guess no. Do you see this being done in ANY other online shooter game in existence? No. It literally makes no sense to do it.

@Green Waffles I've been getting some hate due to my strong opinion towards squid parties, but as I said, I'm directing it at the people that do it the entire match and put their team at a handicap, that is what I consider inexcusable as there is no reason to do it. If you wanna jump around with an opposing team mate for 10 seconds and get back to work...while I don't understand it, it's only 1/18th of the game. However in Ranked every second can count so I don't think it's acceptable AT ALL. I won a Ranked battle yesterday in Splatzones (S rank) because some idiot on the other team decided to Squid Bag my team mate and I pegged him off, then killed their Charger (because he was defenseless). We were losing 28 to 5 and because of OT (because 2 of their team mates were killed with like 5 seconds left) we came back and took the lead. Had he not been a pretentious douche bag, they might have won the match, but it felt oh so good to do

I agree and disagree. In TW, it's fine. Why? Because it doesn't matter for rank or anything (other than Splatfest). In ranked, it's just a straight up no. Why? Because some people are very serious about their rank.